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Apple to Debut 'Passwords' App, in Competition with 1Password, LastPass
- sgarland 2y agoNon-paywall: https://archive.is/2024.06.06-231437/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-06-06/apple-to-debut-passwords-app-in-challenge-to-1password-lastpass https://archive.is/2024.06.06-231437/https://www.bloomberg.c... If this is decent, I’d probably switch. I loved 1Pass 7. Then they bloated it. I’ll give them that the SSH Agent is pretty cool, but there are alternatives to that.
- caseyohara 2y agoI'm in the same boat. I've been using 1p for a long time, and I'm generally a fan and advocate because it's the best password manager I know of. But I would definitely switch if a better product emerges. The experience has gotten really frustrating over the years. 1Password used to be a delight to use, now it's bloated and unbearably and inexplicably slow at times. I much preferred the native app over the current electron version. The browser extensions are finicky. I don't love that the only option is for 1p to host my vault for me, but whatever, I guess I trust them.
- tmpfs 2y agoHi @caseyohara, You might want to try our modern, open-source, cross-platform alternative[1] The self hosted server v1 will land in the next few weeks. [1] https://saveoursecrets.com https://saveoursecrets.com
- Larrikin 2y agoIt's nice to see it will work on Windows, but it's pointless to me if it doesn't also work on Android.
- corytheboyd 2y agoHuh, this will be great for the normies out there, as I assume Apple will tightly integrate it into safari and whatnot, easing them into using a password manager.
- p51-remorse 2y agoThis already basically exists, it’s a table inside settings with all the functionality I used to use in 1Password. Even handles 2FA codes seamlessly. My guess is this app will be mostly just an extraction of that table from Settings.
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- nozzlegear 2y agoI’ve mostly switched over to this over the past year already, from my previous password manager BitWarden. My only complaint is the current Safari/iCloud Keychain doesn’t support arbitrary fields like BitWarden or other password managers do. I often keep crucial info about accounts in such fields, but it’s not possible with Apple’s current implementation. Hopefully their new Password app will support it.
- appplication 2y agoYes, having a place to store security questions like whatever my favorite flavor of ice cream was 9 years ago (looking at you, United) would be nice and the main feature I missing now.
- skoskie 2y agoI still generate random passwords for the questions. I don’t like that someone who knows me well could use them to gain access to an account. … but yes we definitely need extra fields for storing that and lots of other related data. I’m a 1Password user and one of the features I really like is that it saves ALL of the fields from a signup form along with the password. That has saved me a couple of times where I needed to know some value I had entered at the time I created an account.
- p51-remorse 2y agoIt doesn’t support arbitrary fields, but does have a plaintext, multiline-supporting “notes” field. That’s where I put security questions & answers.
- hresvelgr 2y agoI like Apple and their hardware but knowing they can axe my account indiscriminately makes this an immediate 'no'. Very happy with Bitwarden.
- falkensmaize 2y agoWhat makes you think Bitwarden can’t indiscriminately axe your account?
- inhumantsar 2y agoyou can easily export your bitwarden data and self-host a bitwarden service
- tw04 2y agoApple, love you. A password app that isn’t cross platform in 2024 is DOA. You keep claiming you’re becoming a services company, but then you keep doing things like this that makes me think you have absolutely no idea how to be a services company.
- nielsbot 2y agoBut what about those of us who only use Apple platforms?
- CharlesW 2y agoAlso, “Set up iCloud Passwords on your Windows computer”: https://support.apple.com/guide/icloud-windows/set-up-icloud-passwords-icw2babf5e03/icloud https://support.apple.com/guide/icloud-windows/set-up-icloud...
- wkat4242 2y agoYeah but for me Linux (and Android) is a lot more important at home than windows
- indemnity 2y agoYup. It’s not uncommon to have Windows and Android in the mix even for households that are all-Apple at home. Not to mention expectation of multi-browser support, Safari-only is not going to work.
- vsgherzi 2y agoi disagree, it's free
- syspec 2y agoYou can do that today.
- tw04 2y agoYou can use an unreleased "Passwords" app on Windows today? One that, based on leaked information so far, only runs on iOS, iPadOS, and MacOS. Where can I download it?
- justinclift 2y agoWonder if it's going to be storing its data on iCloud in encrypted or unencrypted form? Unencrypted form, or even encrypted where Apple gets to know the encrypted keys, would likely make this an attractive target for various groups (of both the good and bad varieties).
- commandersaki 2y agoIt would be surprising if it is not end to end encrypted.
- duskwuff 2y agoThis will undoubtedly be a front-end to the existing iCloud Keychain password store. Details of how this works are explained in "Apple Platform Security": https://help.apple.com/pdf/security/en_US/apple-platform-security-guide.pdf https://help.apple.com/pdf/security/en_US/apple-platform-sec...
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoSince it doesn’t work on android it’s effectively an anti competitive lock in feature? We really need new antitrust laws and aggressive EU style enforcement
- syspec 2y agoWhat about Google asking you to use chrome each time you click on a link in gmail, or not letting you copy an address without being taken to maps when you search on your phone?
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoGoogle and MS also need to be fined and split up.
- falkensmaize 2y agoPlease no. There are many alternative cross-platform password managers one can use instead. Please don’t make my software and devices suckier and harder to use to appease some EU bureaucrat.
- danielscrubs 2y agoCan and do third parties use Secure Enclave? Any HN users that know?
- positr0n 2y agoYep: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/security/certificate_key_and_trust_services/keys/protecting_keys_with_the_secure_enclave https://developer.apple.com/documentation/security/certifica...
- throwitaway1123 2y agoThe Secretive SSH Agent uses it to store SSH keys: https://github.com/maxgoedjen/secretive https://github.com/maxgoedjen/secretive
- nikolay 2y agoLastPass is no competition to anybody. Or is it?
- kylehotchkiss 2y ago1Password barely works in safari if you use profiles. I’ve filed a bug in the past asking them to investigate and got back a boilerplate “try reinstalling” response. I don’t have the energy to chase down bugfixes in software I paid for. I’ll probably switch to this.
- zeroonetwothree 2y agoIt’s hard currently to get normies to use a password manager so I think this is very good. It will make it much more accessible for them. Personally I plan to continue using BitWarden because it’s cross platform.
- chuckadams 2y agoI’m mostly in Apple’s sphere of influence, but I still need my password manager to work from other people’s Android devices. So no thanks Apple, I’ll stick with Bitwarden.