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This seems like it's too hard to tell friends/family. Is the go-to now just 'install firefox'?

jsheard 2y ago
If Google leaves a boolean switch in Chromium to keep V2 enabled then I assume most if not all of the third party Chromium-derived browsers will just flip it to true by default. That's easy for them to do, the hard part is if Google strips out V2 altogether and leaves the downstream browsers to patch it back in.
- davesmylie 2y ago
  There will be a switch available ... but only for a period of time before the functionality is completely removed
  - metadat 2y ago
    And apparently, as per this post, only available to folks who are savvy with the command-line.
    - pieter_mj 2y ago
      No, use a chromium derived browser, like https://github.com/win32ss/supermium https://github.com/win32ss/supermium. Or use firefox, it will always support adblockers.
      - metadat 2y ago
        No kidding, thanks but I do use Firefox. As for Chrome, the writing is on the wall. It's not so shiny any longer.
- londons_explore 2y ago
  Even when it's stripped out entirely, it will be easy to add back in. The changes (that adblockers care about) are just a few if statements changing the conditions under which synchronous inspection of web requests are allowed. Manifest V3 still allows them. But only in limited circumstances which are unsuitable for ad blocking.
causality0 2y ago
You can't just send them a .reg file and tell them to double click on it and hit ok?
fifteen1506 2y ago
Just tell them to use Edge. It's the worse you can do to Google.
- paxys 2y ago
  It's also the worst you can do to your friends and family.
- irrational 2y ago
  Why edge instead of Firefox?
  - rwaksmunski 2y ago
    Search defaults to Bing?
  - pcf 2y ago
    On macOS it actually uses less resources, and you can use Chrome extensions.
    - ASalazarMX 2y ago
      On Mac? Just tell them to use Safari, why install twice the same browser?
zxxh 2y ago
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coolelectronics 2y ago
i would always tell them to install firefox. this is mostly for developers and tech oriented people who need to keep chrome around
- stavros 2y ago
  If I need to keep Chrome around for development, I'm not using extensions on it, and I'm only visiting the sites I'm developing.
  - ASalazarMX 2y ago
    If you use things like Apple Business Manager and you're not using a Mac, it only works on Chrome.
hgs3 2y ago
> This seems like it's too hard to tell friends/family. It's an opportunity for someone to write an "adblock fixer" app for the non-technical market.
- stavros 2y ago
  I don't understand why people want to teach others how to cope with an abusive relationship, instead of telling them to leave.
VancouverMan 2y ago
After the XUL removal debacle a number of years ago, I can't trust Firefox to offer a suitably flexible and capable extension system over the long run. While some people will claim that those changes were necessary, the impact was still very negative for the extension developers and users who were affected at the time. The numerous other user-hostile decisions made by Firefox's developers certainly don't help repair the trust that was lost then.
- add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
  If this is about trust, Google is by far less trustworthy. Firefox is a flawed option vs. a shitty non-starter option.
  - pennybanks 2y ago
    why do you think that? mozilla is not without its controversies and google basically owns them
    - add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
      This guy is complaining about "XUL removal". Google is the linchpin and progenitor of surveillance capitalism.
- metadat 2y ago
  Were the poor decisions made by Mozilla engineers or by Mozilla Corporate Executives? Mozilla has never paid engineers particularly well; in the past engineers joined mostly out of a duty bound to philosophical alignment.
shrimp_emoji 2y ago
I consider my non-technical friends/family technically dead. They're lost souls you can't help, like Elizabeth Swan looking down at her father's ghost on the boat. We can't help. Freedom and privacy are luxuries only available to those nerdy enough to use Linux. The rest are prey/prisoners/peasants to the technofeudal overlords.

If Google leaves a boolean switch in Chromium to keep V2 enabled then I assume most if not all of the third party Chromium-derived browsers will just flip it to true by default. That's easy for them to do, the hard part is if Google strips out V2 altogether and leaves the downstream browsers to patch it back in.

davesmylie 2y ago
There will be a switch available ... but only for a period of time before the functionality is completely removed
- metadat 2y ago
  And apparently, as per this post, only available to folks who are savvy with the command-line.
  - pieter_mj 2y ago
    No, use a chromium derived browser, like https://github.com/win32ss/supermium https://github.com/win32ss/supermium. Or use firefox, it will always support adblockers.
    - metadat 2y ago
      No kidding, thanks but I do use Firefox. As for Chrome, the writing is on the wall. It's not so shiny any longer.
londons_explore 2y ago
Even when it's stripped out entirely, it will be easy to add back in. The changes (that adblockers care about) are just a few if statements changing the conditions under which synchronous inspection of web requests are allowed. Manifest V3 still allows them. But only in limited circumstances which are unsuitable for ad blocking.

causality0 2y ago

You can't just send them a .reg file and tell them to double click on it and hit ok?

fifteen1506 2y ago

Just tell them to use Edge. It's the worse you can do to Google.

paxys 2y ago
It's also the worst you can do to your friends and family.
irrational 2y ago
Why edge instead of Firefox?
- rwaksmunski 2y ago
  Search defaults to Bing?
- pcf 2y ago
  On macOS it actually uses less resources, and you can use Chrome extensions.
  - ASalazarMX 2y ago
    On Mac? Just tell them to use Safari, why install twice the same browser?

zxxh 2y ago

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coolelectronics 2y ago

i would always tell them to install firefox. this is mostly for developers and tech oriented people who need to keep chrome around

stavros 2y ago
If I need to keep Chrome around for development, I'm not using extensions on it, and I'm only visiting the sites I'm developing.
- ASalazarMX 2y ago
  If you use things like Apple Business Manager and you're not using a Mac, it only works on Chrome.

hgs3 2y ago

> This seems like it's too hard to tell friends/family. It's an opportunity for someone to write an "adblock fixer" app for the non-technical market.

stavros 2y ago
I don't understand why people want to teach others how to cope with an abusive relationship, instead of telling them to leave.

VancouverMan 2y ago

After the XUL removal debacle a number of years ago, I can't trust Firefox to offer a suitably flexible and capable extension system over the long run. While some people will claim that those changes were necessary, the impact was still very negative for the extension developers and users who were affected at the time. The numerous other user-hostile decisions made by Firefox's developers certainly don't help repair the trust that was lost then.

add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
If this is about trust, Google is by far less trustworthy. Firefox is a flawed option vs. a shitty non-starter option.
- pennybanks 2y ago
  why do you think that? mozilla is not without its controversies and google basically owns them
  - add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
    This guy is complaining about "XUL removal". Google is the linchpin and progenitor of surveillance capitalism.
metadat 2y ago
Were the poor decisions made by Mozilla engineers or by Mozilla Corporate Executives? Mozilla has never paid engineers particularly well; in the past engineers joined mostly out of a duty bound to philosophical alignment.

shrimp_emoji 2y ago

I consider my non-technical friends/family technically dead. They're lost souls you can't help, like Elizabeth Swan looking down at her father's ghost on the boat. We can't help. Freedom and privacy are luxuries only available to those nerdy enough to use Linux. The rest are prey/prisoners/peasants to the technofeudal overlords.