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I want a computer to do my dishes so I can work on Art; I don't want a computer to make art so I only have to do dishes.

exe34 2y ago
you could learn mindfulness meditation, then you could do either the dishes or the art and derive, allegedly, the same pleasure.
- bluefirebrand 2y ago
  Sounds like self-gaslighting to me
  - throwup238 2y ago
    You have just unlocked the Religion tech tree! Press 'M' to start a Crusade.
  - exe34 2y ago
    all forms of happiness or disappointment ultimately boil down to a decision that's made somewhere in your brain: this is bad. this is good. it is entirely within your means to decide for yourself, no matter your circumstances or the vagueries of happenstance.
    - shrimp_emoji 2y ago
      Zen meditation is less gaslighting yourself into "false good" and more "the wise old man bowed his head solemnly and spoke, 'There is actually no difference between good and bad things. You imbecile. You fucking moron.'"
      - exe34 2y ago
        it's the same in Stoicism, once you realise that you get to choose for yourself, it doesn't matter what external circumstances are, you can still be pleased with your choices within what's open to you. your comment also reminds me of discourses by Epictetus. he sounds like an irritated teacher modelling what patience looks like.
  - Aeglaecia 2y ago
    any form of therapy can be viewed as gaslighting
    - exe34 2y ago
      really? the one I went to felt more like having a parent for an hour a week, and what she did was help me identify the emotions I was experiencing and asking the right questions to help me come up with strategies to deal with those emotions. she was not the one telling me to learn to be happy with less - I demanded that for myself.
      - matt-attack 2y ago
        I found the process entirely ineffective. They apparently have done moral code (de jour) where they’ve decided not to ever tell you anything or give advice and instead to just listen. Ann’s her the patient talk. This may work for certain personality types but sole people find talking Anna’s talking about themselves exhausting and NOT therapeutic.
        exe34 2y ago
        if you want specific advice, you need to find the right sort of coach for that advice. for example, cognitive behavioural therapy is a skill that you can get taught, and you won't have to talk about yourself much, the tying in with your own experience can be done by you in your head. I haven't taken such a course myself, but that's my understanding of it after my ex- went through it. if your problems are financial, you need an accountant. if you struggle to speak to a large crowd, you need a public speaking coach or training group. a therapist is the one you talk to when you have stuff weighting you down and when you try to talk to others they give advice that starts with "you just need to ...", like you haven't tried it. if reading my post has riled you up, paying somebody to listen to you complaining about it might work quite well.
dorkwood 2y ago
Too bad you didn't tweet this. You could have got 100k likes! https://x.com/AuthorJMac/status/1773679197631701238 https://x.com/AuthorJMac/status/1773679197631701238
- quantified 2y ago
  It's been making the rounds for weeks on FB
shrimp_emoji 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec's_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec's_paradox has bad news for you.
- IshKebab 2y ago
  I dunno if that's entirely the case. State of the art LLM reasoning is very impressive but it clearly can't replace actual people doing complex reasoning jobs yet. Even stuff like telephone helplines. On the other hand we're starting to see some crazily impressive progress on the physical robotics front. I think it's definitely still an open question whether we'll see e.g. a humanoid robot that can load a dishwasher, or an LLM that can reliably .. I dunno, edit a video, first.
ipaddr 2y ago
Dishwashers exist. Now you can have a machine wash dishes while a machine makes art.
Rinzler89 2y ago
>I want a computer to do my dishes We have that, it's called a dish washer. We also have a robot for vacuuming, it's called a robovac, and so on. We have robots for most mundane repetitive chores, they're just not humanoid like in SciFi, but are purposely designed for each task.
- quantified 2y ago
  We do not have complete coverage in the kitchen. It's a bit of stretch to call a dishwashing machine a robot. Your air-conditioner is a cooling robot by the same logic. And no laundry or bathroom-cleaning bots anywhere.
  - meiraleal 2y ago
    They are closer to a robot than chatGPT
astrange 2y ago
Does anyone else want you to work on art?
- exabrial 2y ago
  Am I making art for them?

exe34 2y ago

you could learn mindfulness meditation, then you could do either the dishes or the art and derive, allegedly, the same pleasure.

bluefirebrand 2y ago
Sounds like self-gaslighting to me
- throwup238 2y ago
  You have just unlocked the Religion tech tree! Press 'M' to start a Crusade.
- exe34 2y ago
  all forms of happiness or disappointment ultimately boil down to a decision that's made somewhere in your brain: this is bad. this is good. it is entirely within your means to decide for yourself, no matter your circumstances or the vagueries of happenstance.
  - shrimp_emoji 2y ago
    Zen meditation is less gaslighting yourself into "false good" and more "the wise old man bowed his head solemnly and spoke, 'There is actually no difference between good and bad things. You imbecile. You fucking moron.'"
    - exe34 2y ago
      it's the same in Stoicism, once you realise that you get to choose for yourself, it doesn't matter what external circumstances are, you can still be pleased with your choices within what's open to you. your comment also reminds me of discourses by Epictetus. he sounds like an irritated teacher modelling what patience looks like.
- Aeglaecia 2y ago
  any form of therapy can be viewed as gaslighting
  - exe34 2y ago
    really? the one I went to felt more like having a parent for an hour a week, and what she did was help me identify the emotions I was experiencing and asking the right questions to help me come up with strategies to deal with those emotions. she was not the one telling me to learn to be happy with less - I demanded that for myself.
    - matt-attack 2y ago
      I found the process entirely ineffective. They apparently have done moral code (de jour) where they’ve decided not to ever tell you anything or give advice and instead to just listen. Ann’s her the patient talk. This may work for certain personality types but sole people find talking Anna’s talking about themselves exhausting and NOT therapeutic.
      - exe34 2y ago
        if you want specific advice, you need to find the right sort of coach for that advice. for example, cognitive behavioural therapy is a skill that you can get taught, and you won't have to talk about yourself much, the tying in with your own experience can be done by you in your head. I haven't taken such a course myself, but that's my understanding of it after my ex- went through it. if your problems are financial, you need an accountant. if you struggle to speak to a large crowd, you need a public speaking coach or training group. a therapist is the one you talk to when you have stuff weighting you down and when you try to talk to others they give advice that starts with "you just need to ...", like you haven't tried it. if reading my post has riled you up, paying somebody to listen to you complaining about it might work quite well.

dorkwood 2y ago

Too bad you didn't tweet this. You could have got 100k likes! https://x.com/AuthorJMac/status/1773679197631701238 https://x.com/AuthorJMac/status/1773679197631701238

quantified 2y ago
It's been making the rounds for weeks on FB

shrimp_emoji 2y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec's_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravec's_paradox has bad news for you.

IshKebab 2y ago
I dunno if that's entirely the case. State of the art LLM reasoning is very impressive but it clearly can't replace actual people doing complex reasoning jobs yet. Even stuff like telephone helplines. On the other hand we're starting to see some crazily impressive progress on the physical robotics front. I think it's definitely still an open question whether we'll see e.g. a humanoid robot that can load a dishwasher, or an LLM that can reliably .. I dunno, edit a video, first.

ipaddr 2y ago

Dishwashers exist. Now you can have a machine wash dishes while a machine makes art.

Rinzler89 2y ago

>I want a computer to do my dishes We have that, it's called a dish washer. We also have a robot for vacuuming, it's called a robovac, and so on. We have robots for most mundane repetitive chores, they're just not humanoid like in SciFi, but are purposely designed for each task.

quantified 2y ago
We do not have complete coverage in the kitchen. It's a bit of stretch to call a dishwashing machine a robot. Your air-conditioner is a cooling robot by the same logic. And no laundry or bathroom-cleaning bots anywhere.
- meiraleal 2y ago
  They are closer to a robot than chatGPT

astrange 2y ago

Does anyone else want you to work on art?

exabrial 2y ago
Am I making art for them?