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I was really impressed how Boccassi "project managed" this change, gathering feedback, addressing feedback where necessary, and continued to push the ball forwa

by influx 2y ago

I was really impressed how Boccassi "project managed" this change, gathering feedback, addressing feedback where necessary, and continued to push the ball forward even under lots of objection. Many people would have just given up and the status quo would have remained for another couple years.

dsr_ 2y ago
Excepting a General Resolution or a Policy violation, every accredited Debian Developer can do whatever the heck they feel like in their own packages. This can pose problems. Boccasi steamrollered, but relatively politely.
- KennyBlanken 2y ago
  Beyond "relatively politely." People were more interested in bitching about edge cases where maintainers / projects / authors were doing things they should not have been doing in the first place than they were about addressing those issues, so he addressed them himself. The man literally put up when others would not shut up.
  - guappa 2y ago
    The fact that YOU don't have a particular use case doesn't necessarily mean much. Billions of people don't use linux and this all doesn't matter to them. But perhaps 30% could be in what you call "edge case", since your statistics is entirely based on yourself.
    - blucaz 2y ago
      The fact that YOU have a particular use case doesn't necessarily mean much either. Just customize your configuration accordingly, and move on.
      - guappa 2y ago
        But according to you, anyone who isn't "bluca" is an edge case :D
IshKebab 2y ago
Yeah so much naysaying. Especially the people storing important files in `/var/tmp`! It's like complaining to the council for collecting bins because you like to keep your keys in them. Wtf. Good work pushing through it Boccassi!
- akira2501 2y ago
  It's my bin. I paid a lot of money for it. I can keep my keys in it if I want and if it's convenient for me. I don't work for the council and I don't care what their agenda is. Why not just have the installer _ask_ me what configuration I prefer? Is there some reason you have to force the change, announce a victory, then make me to go mucking with "defaults" after the fact?
  - chuckadams 2y ago
    You can already change the configuration in the installer, it's called manual partition setup. The installer doesn't need a clicky screen for every setting that may have changed over the last 30 years.
    - akira2501 2y ago
      So if I do the manual partition setup it's not going to run the daemon that automatically deletes files off those partitions during runtime for me? It sounded from the article like this change is more comprehensive than just the partition.
      - chuckadams 2y ago
        I doubt it'll change the auto-cleanup. It probably is configurable with dpkg-reconfigure, or maybe it's just a service that needs to be disabled. Post-installation configuration is still a thing, and it changes every version. That's what versions are for.
      - cbsks 2y ago
        It’s a systemd service: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/tmpfiles.d.html https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/tmpf... You will have to disable it separately. From the article: “To stop periodic cleanups of /tmp and /var/tmp users can run touch /etc/tmpfiles.d/tmp.conf.”
teruakohatu 2y ago
According got the article Boccassi wanted concrete scenarios where things might break, but his justification for making the change was “upstream and other dists”. Systemd now essentially control Debian both the OS itself, and though Boccassi, the development.
- guappa 2y ago
  And when he got concrete scenarios he dismissed each and every one of them as "this is just you doing this".

by influx 2y ago

dsr_ 2y ago

Excepting a General Resolution or a Policy violation, every accredited Debian Developer can do whatever the heck they feel like in their own packages. This can pose problems. Boccasi steamrollered, but relatively politely.

KennyBlanken 2y ago
Beyond "relatively politely." People were more interested in bitching about edge cases where maintainers / projects / authors were doing things they should not have been doing in the first place than they were about addressing those issues, so he addressed them himself. The man literally put up when others would not shut up.
- guappa 2y ago
  The fact that YOU don't have a particular use case doesn't necessarily mean much. Billions of people don't use linux and this all doesn't matter to them. But perhaps 30% could be in what you call "edge case", since your statistics is entirely based on yourself.
  - blucaz 2y ago
    The fact that YOU have a particular use case doesn't necessarily mean much either. Just customize your configuration accordingly, and move on.
    - guappa 2y ago
      But according to you, anyone who isn't "bluca" is an edge case :D

IshKebab 2y ago

Yeah so much naysaying. Especially the people storing important files in `/var/tmp`! It's like complaining to the council for collecting bins because you like to keep your keys in them. Wtf. Good work pushing through it Boccassi!

akira2501 2y ago
It's my bin. I paid a lot of money for it. I can keep my keys in it if I want and if it's convenient for me. I don't work for the council and I don't care what their agenda is. Why not just have the installer _ask_ me what configuration I prefer? Is there some reason you have to force the change, announce a victory, then make me to go mucking with "defaults" after the fact?
- chuckadams 2y ago
  You can already change the configuration in the installer, it's called manual partition setup. The installer doesn't need a clicky screen for every setting that may have changed over the last 30 years.
  - akira2501 2y ago
    So if I do the manual partition setup it's not going to run the daemon that automatically deletes files off those partitions during runtime for me? It sounded from the article like this change is more comprehensive than just the partition.
    - chuckadams 2y ago
      I doubt it'll change the auto-cleanup. It probably is configurable with dpkg-reconfigure, or maybe it's just a service that needs to be disabled. Post-installation configuration is still a thing, and it changes every version. That's what versions are for.
    - cbsks 2y ago
      It’s a systemd service: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/tmpfiles.d.html https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/tmpf... You will have to disable it separately. From the article: “To stop periodic cleanups of /tmp and /var/tmp users can run touch /etc/tmpfiles.d/tmp.conf.”

teruakohatu 2y ago

According got the article Boccassi wanted concrete scenarios where things might break, but his justification for making the change was “upstream and other dists”. Systemd now essentially control Debian both the OS itself, and though Boccassi, the development.

guappa 2y ago
And when he got concrete scenarios he dismissed each and every one of them as "this is just you doing this".