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AMD Unveils Ryzen 9000 CPUs for Desktop, Zen 5
- tripdout 2y ago7900X equivalent 9900X has 120W TDP as opposed to 170W. Is it that much more power efficient?
- Voultapher 2y agoThat 170W TDP was chasing the benchmark crown. The 7950X lost <5% MT perf when run at 120W.
- canucker2016 2y agoThe all-core max clock speed costs a lot of watts for that last 10% - close to 50% of total CPU consumption in some cases. That's why undervolting has become a thing to do (unless you're an Intel CPU marketer) - give up a few percent of your all-core max clock rate and cut your wattage used by a lot.
- GordonS 2y agoI wonder then if the 9900X could be undervolted without losing more than a few percentage points of speed?
- gautamcgoel 2y agoSurprisingly not that much to be excited about IMO. AMD isn't using TSMC's latest node and the CPUs only officially support DDR5 speeds up to 5600MHz (yes, I know that you can use faster RAM). The CPUs are also using the previous-gen graphics architecture, RDNA2.
- aurareturn 2y agoIt's because x86 chips are no longer leading in the client. ARM chips are. Specifically, Apple chips. Though Qualcomm has huge potential leapfrog AMD/Intel chips in a few generations too.
- krasin 2y agoUntil ARM has a proper UEFI support, it's not a practical desktop/server with a few notable exceptions (Mac, Raspberry Pi) and only because there's so much support from the respective vendors. I know that there's some work happening about UEFI+ARM (https://developer.arm.com/Architectures/Unified%20Extensible%20Firmware%20Interface https://developer.arm.com/Architectures/Unified%20Extensible...), but its support is very rare. The only example I can recall is Ampere Altra: https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2023/ampere-altra-max-windows-gpus-and-gaming https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2023/ampere-altra-max-wind...
- bitwize 2y agoIt's like I keep saying: the first Chinese manufacturer to churn out cheap SBCs with ServerReady support will make a killing as a true Pi killer. Anyone? Anyone? Pine64? Pine64?
- esskay 2y agoWe dont really need a Pi killer anymore. They've done a fine job of killing it themselves. Their community has shrunk massively due to low cost mini pc's being leaps and bounds better value than a Pi now. Their two fingers being put up at the hacker/tinkerer hobbyist market over the last few years combined with the IPO and shift to B2B has made it very clear where their priorities lie. Unless you need the GPIO theres zero reason to overpay for a Pi 5 for example when you can pick up decent second hand mini pc's on ebay for a lower price. Case in point, a couple of months ago I was able to nab two brand new still in box Dell Optiplex 3050's (Core i7 6700T 4 Cores, 2.8Ghz, 16GB RAM Win 10 hardware license, 256gb ssd, with mouse & keyboard) for £55 each delivered. The base 4gb model Pi 5 comes in at £80-£100 once you add power, storage and a case. Sure, its not ARM but you're not likely to be doing anything that _needs_ ARM.
- ZiiS 2y agoTry matching the size, power draw, and price of the Zero.
- re-thc 2y ago> The CPUs are also using the previous-gen graphics architecture, RDNA2 Faster GPU is reserved for APUs. These graphics are just here for basic support.
- arvinsim 2y agoTBH, CPUs nowadays are mostly good enough for the consumer, even at mid or low tiers. It's the GPUs that are just getting increasing inaccessible, price wise.
- michaelt 2y agoYes - with more and more users moving to laptops and wanting a longer battery life, raw peak performance hasn't moved much in a decade. A decade ago, Steam's hardware survey said 8GB was the most popular amount of RAM [1] and today, the latest $1600 Macbook Pro comes with.... 8GB of RAM. In some ways that's been a good thing - it used to be that software got more and more featureful/bloated and you needed a new computer every 3-5 years just to keep up. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20140228170316/http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey https://web.archive.org/web/20140228170316/http://store.stea...
- CivBase 2y agoTo be fair, a decade ago gaming PCs came with 2GB to 4GB of vRAM. Today's gaming PCs come with 12GB to 20GB of vRAM. Most games don't demand a lot of system memory, so it makes sense that PC gamers would invest in other components. You're also comparing Windows x86 gaming desktops from a decade ago with macOS AppleSilicon base-spec laptops today. Steam's recent hardware survey shows 16GB as the most popular amount of RAM [1]. Not the 5x increase we've seen in vRAM, but still substantial. [1] https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Softw...
- ChoGGi 2y ago> Today's gaming PCs come with 12GB to 20GB of vRAM. 8-20 GB of VRAM
- faeriechangling 2y agoTons of gamers are on 8gb because of mobile GPUs and becuase the only affordable 12gb GPU Nvidia has ever released is the 3060 which is a desktop GPU. I don’t honestly expect 12gb+ to become mainstream until 6000 series.
- doikor 2y ago> The CPUs are also using the previous-gen graphics architecture, RDNA2. The GPU on these parts is there mostly for being able to boot into BIOS or OS for debugging. Basically when things go wrong and you want to debug what is broken (remove GPU from machine and see if things work)
- ffsm8 2y agoI have to disagree. They work great for video playback and office work. So media server, and workstations are fine without a dedicated gpu
- matharmin 2y agoThese are decent GPUs for anything other than heavy gaming. I'm driving two 4k screens with it, and even for some light gaming (such as factorio) it's completely fine.
- 123yawaworht456 2y agoI'm under the impression that Factorio can run on any GPU capable of producing video output at all. years ago when I played it, it ran perfectly fine on whatever iGPU my 4790K had. 60 FPS/UPS with pretty big bases (although iirc I did disable all video effects like smoke to avoid cluttering the screen)
- nolist_policy 2y agoThe 'Ryzen 7000 iGPU" (Why is there no official codename?!) can even run GTA 5 at low/medium settings.
- glimshe 2y agoI know it's hard to believe, but GTA V is now over 10 years old...
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- AlfeG 2y ago> DDR5 speeds up to 56000MHz (yes, I know that you can use faster RAM) Not sure that I actually CAN. 56 GHz is already a lot.
- gautamcgoel 2y agoFixed, thanks :)
- orphea 2y ago5600 are MT/s (megatransfers/second), not MHz ;)
- diffeomorphism 2y agoNah, you can get RDNA3.5 if you want to (not sure why you want that in a (home)server though) https://www.anandtech.com/show/21419/amd-announces-the-ryzen-ai-300-series-for-mobile-zen-5-with-rdna-35-and-xdna2-npu-with-50-tops https://www.anandtech.com/show/21419/amd-announces-the-ryzen...
- Arrath 2y agoWell perhaps I will stop holding out and just get the 7800x3d, if the 9000 generation won't be too terribly groundbreaking.
- btgeekboy 2y agoYeah - I've been waiting to see what this release would entail as I kinda want to build a SFF PC. But now that I know what's in it, and since they didn't come out with anything really special chipset-wise, I'll probably just see if I can get some current-get stuff at discounted prices during the usual summer sales.
- MenhirMike 2y agoGiven that there are only 2 CUs in the GPU (and fairly low clock speeds), does the architecture matter much? Benchmarks were kinda terrible, and it looks to me that the intent of the built-in GPU is for hardware video encoding or to run it in a home server system, or emergency BIOS and the like. Compared to the desktop CPUs, even the lowest end mobile 8440U has 4 CUs, going up to 12 CUs on the higher end. Or go with Strix Point, which does have an RDNA 3.5 GPU (with 12 or 16 CUs) in it. I guess you _can_ game on those 2 CU GPUs, but it really doesn't seem to be intended for that.
- cschneid 2y agoYeah, I'm glad they started including built in gpu so there's something there, but beyond booting to a desktop I wouldn't use this graphics for anything else. But if you're just running a screen and compiling rust, that's all you need. Or in my case, running a home server / NAS.
- philsnow 2y agoWhen building a non-APU ryzen machine for homelab use, I ended up buying the very cheapest graphics card I could find that was compatible, a "GeForce GT 710" that was not a beefy card when it was released in 2014. It's.. fine. After getting the system working I passed it through to a win10 VM and I can play non-FPS windows-only steam games over RDP. So yeah next time I build a machine I'll appreciate having this built in.
- MenhirMike 2y agoYeah, I have several GT 710's which also came in a PCIe x1 variant so I could keep the x16 slot free for something better. Glad that's no longer needed - the built-in GPU is a legit good thing.
- spixy 2y agoBetter efficiency with three external 4K 120Hz monitors?
- mrweasel 2y ago> AMD isn't using TSMC's latest node Staying on an older node might ensure AMD the production capacity they need/want/expect. If they had aimed for the latest 3nm then they'd have get in line behind Apple and Nvidia. That would be my guess, why aim for 3nm, if you can't get fab time and you're still gaining a 15% speed increase.
- aurareturn 2y ago15% IPC boost is mildly disappointing. It will be significantly slower in ST than M4, and even more so against the M4 Pro/Max.
- muxator 2y agoHow come is a 15% IPC increase generation for generation a disappointing result? There might be greener pastures, I agree, but a 15% increase year over year for the quality factor of a product is nothing to be disappointed of. It's good execution, even more so in a mature and competitive sector such as microelectronics.
- aurareturn 2y agoIt's not year over year. It's 2 years. It's disappointing because M4 is significantly ahead. I would expect Zen to make a bigger leap to catch up. Also, this small leap opens up for Intel's Arrow Lake to take the lead.
- adrian_b 2y agoActually from Zen 4 to Zen 5 there is a little more than one year and a half (supposing that they will indeed go on sale in July), almost matching the AMD announcement done around the launch of Zen 4 that they will shorten the time between generations from 2 years to 1 1/2 years.
- Hikikomori 2y agoProcess node advantage is real.
- aurareturn 2y agoOf course it's real. But not only is M4 significantly faster in ST, it'll probably 3-4x more efficient than Zen5 mobile just like how M3 is against Zen4 mobile. This difference in efficiency cannot be explained by node advantage alone as N3E vs N4 is probably around only 15-20% more efficient.
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- papichulo2023 2y agoMeh, I guess still 128 bits memory channel width. Guess they are not even trying anymore.
- lmz 2y agoIs this even possible to change without moving to a new socket?
- KingOfCoders 2y agoNo.
- icf80 2y ago2 x 2 x 32bit anything else will require newer SOCKET, MB AND RAM
- ArtTimeInvestor 2y agoDo all CPUs and GPUs these days involve components made by TSMC? If so, is this unique - that a whole industry of relies on one company?
- unwind 2y agoAs far as I know, Intel is still very much a fab company.
- microtonal 2y agoArguably that single company is ASML. There are more fabs (e.g. Intel), but AFAIK cutting-edge nodes all use ASML EUV chip fabrication machines?
- Cu3PO42 2y agoIntel still fabs their own CPUs, their dedicated Xe graphics are made by TSMC, though. Nvidia 30-series was fabbed by Samsung. So there is some competition in the high-end space, but not much. All of these companies rely on buying lithography machines from ASML, though.
- Wytwwww 2y ago>Intel still fabs their own CPUs Isn't Lunar Lake made by TSMC? Supposedly they have comparable efficiency to AMD/Apple/Qualcomm at the cost of making their fab business even less profitable
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- dhx 2y agoHow are the 24x PCIe 5.0 lanes (~90GB/s) of the 9950X allocated? The article makes it appear as: * 16x PCIe 5.0 lanes for "graphics use" connected directly to the 9950X (~63GB/s). * 1x PCIe 5.0 lane for an M.2 port connected directly to the 9950X (~4GB/s). Motherboard manufacturers seemingly could repurpose "graphics use" PCIe 5.0 lanes for additional M.2 ports. * 7x PCIe 5.0 lanes connected to the X870E chipset (~28GB/s). Used as follows: * 4x USB 4.0 ports connected to the X870E chipset (~8GB/s). * 4x PCIe 4.0 ports connected to the X870E chipset (~8GB/s). * 4x PCIe 3.0 ports connected to the X870E chipset (~4GB/s). * 8x SATA 3.0 ports connected to the X870E chipset (some >~2.4GB/s part of ~8GB/s shared with WiFi 7). * WiFi 7 connected to the X870E chipset (some >~1GB/s part of ~8GB/s shared with 8x SATA 3.0 ports).
- vardump 2y agoI think that decision is ultimately made by the mainboard vendor.
- wtallis 2y agoThese processors will use the existing AM5 socket, so they fundamentally cannot make major changes to lane counts and allocations, only per-lane speeds. They're also re-using CPU's IO die from last generation and re-using the same chipset silicon, which further constrains them to only minor tweaks. Typical use cases and motherboards give an x16 slot for graphics, x4 each to at least one or two M.2 slots for SSDs, and x4 to the chipset. Last generation and this generation, AMD's high-end chipset is actually two chipsets daisy-chained, since they're really not much more than PCIe fan-out switches plus USB and SATA HBAs. Nobody allocates a single PCIe lane to an SSD slot, and the link between the CPU and chipset must have a lane width that is a power of two; a seven-lane link is not possible with standard PCIe. Also, keep in mind that PCIe is packet-switched, so even though on paper the chipset is over-subscribed with downstream ports that add up to more bandwidth than the uplink to the CPU provides, it won't be a bottleneck unless you have an unusual hardware configuration and workload that actually tries to use too much IO bandwidth with the wrong set of peripherals simultaneously.
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- adriancr 2y agoFinally, was waiting for this for a new build and it seems decent upgrade.
- buildbot 2y agoAVX512 in a single cycle vs 2 cycles is big if the clock speed can be maintained at all near 5GHz. Also doubling of L1 cache bandwidth is interesting! Possibly, needed to actually feed an AVX512 rich instruction stream I guess.
- camel-cdr 2y agoAVX512 was never over 2 cycles. In Zen4 it used the 256 wide execution units of avx2 (except for shuffle), but there are more then one 256-bit wide execution units, so you still got your one cycle throughput.
- dzaima 2y agoMore importantly for the "2 cycles" question, Zen 4 can get one cycle latency for double-pumped 512-bit ops (for the ops where that's reasonable, i.e. basic integer/bitwise arith). Having all 512-bit pipes would still be a massive throughput improvement over Zen 4 (as long as pipe count is less than halved), if that is what Zen 5 actually does; things don't stop at 1 op/cycle. Though a rather important question with that would be where that leaves AVX2 code.
- wren6991 2y agoDouble pumping loses its one-cycle latency when you forward to an operation that is genuinely 512 bits wide, like a shuffle. At that point you have to wait for both halves to be available before dispatching. That's another advantage to going fully 512-bit wide
- camel-cdr 2y ago> Having all 512-bit pipes would still be a massive throughput improvement over Zen 4 (as long as pipe count is less than halved) What would be different between doubling tbe pipe width vs number of pipes? (excluding inter lane operations that already had their own 512-bit pipe in Zen4)
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- Sparkyte 2y agoHuge improvement over my 5k series processor.
- nubinetwork 2y agoI'd love to replace my 2950x, but most desktop motherboards still don't support 128gb of memory.
- SirGiggles 2y agoI can’t speak for all motherboards but I’m comfortably running 128GiB of DDR4 on a 5950x and x570s platform.
- nubinetwork 2y agoGood to know, maybe I should look again... thanks
- chainingsolid 2y agoI'm running the same as above. However do check both the memory and motherboard manufacture's tested with lists (QVL qualified vendor list) before purchasing! Each product should have its own compatablity listing.
- erinnh 2y agoI just had a look and the comparison website I use says there are 113 motherboards that support 128GB or more memory for AM5. (in my local market. so the US probably has even more) 128GB isn't exactly a lot, so that would surprise me if it wasnt supported.
- nubinetwork 2y agoI think for a while there, the only way to be able to use 128gb was to go TR4 or TRX... I kindof stopped looking for a while, but 100+ boards is certainly a nice change.
- DEADMINCE 2y ago> I just had a look and the comparison website I use Which website is that?
- mmaniac 2y agoAMD seem to be playing it safe this with this desktop generation. Same node, similar frequencies, same core counts, same IOD, X3D chips only arriving later... IPC seems like the only noteworthy improvement here. 15% overall is good but nothing earth shattering. The mobile APUs are way more interesting.
- vegabook 2y agoGeekbench Ryzen 9 7950x is 2930 max, so if we're generous and give the 9950x 15% uplift we'll be at 3380, which is still 400 points or so behind apple silicon for a much higher clock speed and a multiplier larger power draw. Also the max memory bandwidth at 70GB/s or so is basically pathetic, trounced by ASi.
- mmaniac 2y agoYou're comparing apples and oranges. Ryzen has never had the lead with 1T performance, but emphasises nT and core counts instead. Memory bandwidth is largely meaningless for desktop CPUs but matters a lot for a SoC with a big GPU. Strix Halo appears to be AMD's competitor to Apple SoCs which will feature a much bigger iGP and much greater memory bandwidth. When we hear more about that, comparisons will be apt.
- vegabook 2y agoAMD has been making SoCs forever. Why does it take a kick in the teeth from Apple for both Intel and AMD suddenly to wake up and give us performance SoCs, 5 years later? They've been coasting on the stone-age motherboard+cards arch because essentially Nvidia gave you a big, fat, modern coprocessor in the form of an [g/r]tx card that hid the underlying problems. They could have done what AAPL did ages ago but they have no ability to innovate properly. They've been leaning on their x86 duopoly and if it's now on its last legs, it's their fault.
- sofixa 2y ago> AMD has been making SoCs forever. Why does it take a kick in the teeth from Apple for both Intel and AMD suddenly to wake up and give us performance SoCs, 5 years later What do you mean? AMD has been the market leader in performance SoCs for specialised use cases (like consoles) for many years.
- jiggawatts 2y agoI wonder when the PC world will transition to unified memory and more monolithic architectures as seen in the Apple M-series chips, but also in the NVIDIA GB200 "superchip", the AMD MI300 accelerator, the X-Box and Playstation consoles, and even in some mobile phone system-on-a-chip designs. It feels like the PC is the "last holdout" of discrete upgradeable components with relatively low bandwidth between them. Sooner or later, AI will need to run on the edge, and that'll require RAM bandwidths measured in multiple terabytes per second, as well as "tensor" compute integrated closely with CPUs. Sure, a lot of people see LLMs as "useless toys" or "overhyped" now, but people said that about the Internet too. What it took to make everything revolve around the Internet instead of it being just a fad is broadband. When everyone had fast always-on Internet at home and in their mobile devices, then nobody could argue that the Internet wasn't useful. Build it, and the products will come! If every gaming PC had the same spec as a GB200 or MI300, then games could do real-time voice interaction with "intelligent" NPCs with low latency. You could talk to characters, and they could talk back. Not just talk, but argue, haggle, and debate! "No, no, no, the dragon is too powerful! ... I don't care if your sword is a unique artefact, your arm is weak!" I feel like this is the same kind of step-change as floppy drives to hard drives, or dialup or fibre. It'll take time. People will argue that "you don't need it" or "it's for enterprise use, not for consumers", but I have faster Internet going to my apartment than my entire continent had 30 years ago.
- treprinum 2y agoIsn't CAMM2 providing higher bandwidth? MOBOs with CAMM2 for AMD are already popping up.
- aaomidi 2y agoI can’t wait for my games to start hallucinating narration.
- fourfour3 2y agoExactly this. I want plot/character driven games like RPGs to be a curated & carefully designed, plotted, and paced experience. I want speech & narrative to be scripted! It means someone sat down and thought about the experience it produces for the player. It means a real voice actor has performed it, putting the right emotion and pacing into the line. I don't want AI generated stilted dialogue, uncanny valley speech, etc. And I also don't want an extra few hundred watts of power draw on gaming PCs - they're already high and in modern games the CPU is under pretty substantial load, the GPU is maxed out, and the GPU's AI/NPU style cores are being used for things like DLSS too. Bringing in more compute resource for running speech to text, LLMs, text to speech, etc fast enough to not feel horrible is going to come at substantial power and financial cost.
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- Tepix 2y agoIt's weird that CPUs tend to use more power every two years now instead of less. Looks like this time, the TDP didn't increase. Yay! i guess. Don't most people think their PCs are fast enough already? It's as if our planet wasn't being destroyed at a frightening speed. We're headed towards a cliff, but instead if braking, we're accelerating.
- mmaniac 2y agoThe people who think PCs are already fast enough don't buy CPUs every year. A 7950X in Eco mode is ridiculously capable for the power it pulls but that's less of a selling point.
- adham-omran 2y agoI have a 7950X which I run in Eco mode with air cooling and it's amazingly quiet when not under load and rips when it needs to, I don't see a reason to upgrade any time soon.
- hajile 2y agoI think there's a market for a 7950E with a specific binning for lower power rather than highest possible clocks.
- mmaniac 2y agoCompared to Intel, AMD seems to bin their chips a lot less. Intel have their -T chips which would be nifty if Intel weren't so far behind in terms in terms of efficiency.
- dotnet00 2y agoThe TDP increases slower than the efficiency, so for the same workload, a newer CPU consumes similar or less power. Especially nowadays, most of these chips only get anywhere near the stated TDP when being near fully maxed out.
- sylware 2y agoImproving avx512 is really good, since this is the data unit sweet spot: a cache line is 512 bits. But I am more interested in the cleanup of the GPU hardware interface (it should be astonishingly simple to program the GPU with its various ring buffers, like as it is rumored to be the case on nvidia side) AND in the squishing of all hardware shader bugs: look at valve ACO compiler erratas in mesa, AMD hardware shader is a bug minefield. Hopefully, the GFX12 did fix ALL KNOWN SHADER HARDWARE BUGS (sorry, ACO is written with that horrible c++, I dunno what went thru the head of valve and no, rust syntax is a complex as c++, then this is toxic too).
- alberth 2y ago> TSMC N4 Question: Am I understanding this correctly that AMD will be using a node size from TSMC that’s 2-years old, but in a way it’s kind of older. Because N4 was like a “N5+” (and the current gen is “N3+”). EDIT: why the downvotes for a question?
- Night_Thastus 2y agoYes, AMD is not using the leading-edge node. The older node is cheaper/has better yield and more importantly has much larger supply than N3, which Apple has likely completely devoured. I am personally very curious how it compares vs Intel's 15th gen, which is rumored to be on Intel 20 process.
- irusensei 2y agoI'll probably wait one or two years before getting into anything with DDR5. I've blew some money on an AMD laptop in 2021. At the time it was a monster with decent expansion options: RX 6800m, Ryzen 9 5900HX. I've stuck it with maximum 64GB DDR4 and 2x 4TB psi 3.0 nvme. Runs Linux very well. But now I'm seeing lots of things I'm locked out. Faster ethernet standards, the fun that brings with tons of GPU memory (no USB4, can't add 10Gbe either), faster and larger memory options, AV1 encoding. It's just sad that I bought a laptop right before those things were released. Should had go with a proper PC. Not doing this mistake anymore.
- kmfrk 2y agoWaiting for CAMM2 to get wider adoption could be interesting: https://x.com/msigaming/status/1793628162334621754 https://x.com/msigaming/status/1793628162334621754 Hopefully won't be too long now.
- worthless-trash 2y agoYou will find that this is the cost of any laptop, any time you buy it there is always new tech around the corner and there isn't much you can do about it.
- simcop2387 2y ago(disclosure I own a 13in one) Yea closest I see to being better about it is Frame.work laptops, and even then it's not as good a story as desktops, just the best story for upgrading a laptop right now. Other than that buying one and making sure you have at least two thunderbolt (or compatible) ports on separate busses is probably the best you can do since that'd mean two 40Gb/s links for expansion even if it's not portable, but would let you get things like 10GbE adapters or fast external storage and such without compromising too much on capability.
- zamadatix 2y agoThe idea of Framework sounds so good but their actual implementation has really been lacking so far, especially when you consider total price of the laptop + upgrades vs just buying cheaper devices whole but more often. E.g. wired Ethernet is a USB C 2.5 Gbps adapter that sticks out of the chasses because it doesn't fit.
- Pet_Ant 2y agoDoes anyone have metrics for some sort of benchmark per transistor? I wonder where the sweetspot is between something like these and SERV [1]. Obviously GPU wins on parallel math, but I wonder how much we are chasing in terms diminishing returns. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSHasXHvZaQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSHasXHvZaQ
- gattr 2y agoI normally rebuild my workstation every ~4 years (recently more for fun than out of actual need for more processing power), might finally do it again (preferably a recent 8-/12-core Ryzen). My most recent major upgrade was in 2017 (Core i5 3570K -> Ryzen 7 1700X), with a minor fix in 2019 (Ryzen 7 2700, since 1700X was suffering from the random-segfaults-during-parallel-builds issue).
- Night_Thastus 2y agoSame. I'm on a 10700k and thinking on an upgrade. I'll wait for X3D parts to come out (assuming they're doing that this gen, not sure if we've got confirmation), and compare vs 15th gen Intel once it's out in like September-ish.
- tracker1 2y agoMight be worth considering a Ryzen 9 5900XT (just launched as well) for a drop in upgrade. Been running a 5950X since close to launch and still pretty happy with it.
- mananaysiempre 2y agoWould it really be smart to build an AM4 desktop at this point though?
- tracker1 2y agoI said as a "drop in upgrade"... Not sure that I'd build AM4 today, unless I had some parts used and cheap/free.
- ComputerGuru 2y agoInteresting unveil; it seems everyone was expecting more significant architectural changes though they still managed to net a decent IPC improvement. In light of the "very good but not incredible" generation-over-generation improvement, I guess we can now play the "can you get more performance for less dollars buying used last-gen HEDT or Epyc hardware or with the newest Zen 5 releases?" game (NB: not "value for your dollar" but "actually better performance").