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Wanted to clarify on: > Sure you are. You're directly helping people perform it. I'm not saying what you're doing should be illegal, but let's be honest here.
by nddrylliog 14y ago
Wanted to clarify on:
> Sure you are. You're directly helping people perform it. I'm not saying what you're doing should be illegal, but let's be honest here. You are "interested" in piracy. One could argue you're even involved in it.
To be, again, completely honest with you, no. If you could have that much exposure showing photos of shoes, we'd do it instead.
I see it as... a start-up without the worry to make profit. We use analytics only to improve the product. We use this as a product building exercise, that's all.
We don't upload movies, we don't run a tracker, we don't belong to any release groups: that's how not interested in piracy we are.
- biot 14y ago> We don't upload movies, we don't run a tracker, we don't belong to > any release groups: that's how not interested in piracy we are. That's like saying "We don't sell crystal meth, we're not distributors for crystal meth, we don't belong to any drug production groups, but our site helps kids obtain crystal meth from those who do: that's how not interested in crystal meth we are."
- nddrylliog 14y agoIn retrospect, you're right, we probably should blacklist Twilight from our DB.
- canadaduane 14y agoYour analogy is paired because both piracy and meth are illegal in the USA. However, the pairing lacks equivalence in my view because crystal meth is clearly (and by nature, not by law) harmful to the user, while piracy is not. A better analogy might be a website that helps others circumvent the Great Firewall of China. It is illegal in one particular country, but circumvention does not harm individuals (only the society, one could argue). "We don't circumvent the wall, we don't run a proxy, we don't belong to tor: that's how not interested in circumventing the wall we are."
- rmc 14y agoYour censorship analogy is flawed, since copyright infringement is not legal in any country (im not sure, but Ethiopia might have started recognising foreign copyrights now)
- canadaduane 14y agoI'm curious if you have a better analogy?
- PeterisP 14y agoDownloading movies from torrents is legal in Canada (covered by a copyright levy on data storage media), for example.
- krzyk 14y agoIn Poland it's also completely legal if you don't distribute (seed) it. Legal for movies and music, illegal for programs/games.
- nddrylliog 14y agoSame goes here in Switzerland. We have a tax on storage media that is supposed to cover that use case.
- reaktivo 14y agoIn many countries or at least Mexico, copying or linking to copyrighted material != copyright infringement , copying + profit does.
- true_religion 14y agoLinking is not considered copyright infringement in most of Europe. Your analogy has no legs.
- pbhjpbhj 14y ago>since copyright infringement is not legal in any country // Last time I looked there were still a few countries that weren't signatories to international copyright laws, PNG I think was one? Maybe Nauru, Tuvalu, Vatican City? http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/summary.jsp http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/summary.jsp gives details of those places that aren't party to _international_ IP treaties. Note Vatican City is in that list as "Holy See" and is a signatory to a few IP treaties.
- scott_s 14y agoI find your comment disingenuous. I cannot take you seriously when you argue that you are not "interested" in the very thing you enable and are focused on.
- nddrylliog 14y agoI can see why you would think that. However, if there were APIs to license all that content on an invidual basis instead of linking to torrents, we'd do it instead. Can't really argue beyond that, you're right to some extent.
- res0nat0r 14y agoHow about just linking to the movies themselves if they are available on Hulu, Amazon, Netflix, Lovefilm, iTunes or VUDU instead then?
- nddrylliog 14y agoActually, we're planning on doing that for US visitors. The rest of the world is way too much trouble to serve legally so far (it's not even consistent across providers, it's content-dependant..)