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> Not doing ads, tracking you, trying to sell your data elsewhere: check With the absence of a "not" there, it's not quite clear whether you're telling the tru
by white_devil 14y ago
> Not doing ads, tracking you, trying to sell your data elsewhere: check
With the absence of a "not" there, it's not quite clear whether you're telling the truth or not, but a http request to "track.gif" could be construed as, you know, tracking us.
http://secure.gaug.es/track.gif?h[site_id]=4fb448ea613f5d5be100000e&h[resource]=http%3A%2F%2Fmovies.io%2Fm%2F1m&h[referrer]=http%3A%2F%2Fmovies.io%2Fi%2Ftop50&h[title]=Project%20X%20(2012)%20%7C%20movies.io&h[user_agent]=Mozilla%2F5.0%20(Macintosh%3B%20Intel%20Mac%20OS%20X%2010.6%3B%20rv%3A12.0)%20Gecko%2F20100101%20Firefox%2F12.0&h[unique]=0&h[unique_hour]=0&h[unique_day]=0&h[unique_month]=0&h[unique_year]=0&h[screenx]=1920&h[browserx]=1920&h[browsery]=594×tamp=1338576974951 http://secure.gaug.es/track.gif?h[site_id]=4fb448ea613f5d5be...
> We're not interested in piracy
Sure you are. You're directly helping people perform it. I'm not saying what you're doing should be illegal, but let's be honest here. You are "interested" in piracy. One could argue you're even involved in it.
- nddrylliog 14y ago> With the absence of a "not" there, it's not quite clear whether you're telling the truth or not, but a http request to "track.gif" could be construed as, you know, tracking us. Fair point, reworded the above to be more precise. Point taken.
- nddrylliog 14y agoWanted to clarify on: > Sure you are. You're directly helping people perform it. I'm not saying what you're doing should be illegal, but let's be honest here. You are "interested" in piracy. One could argue you're even involved in it. To be, again, completely honest with you, no. If you could have that much exposure showing photos of shoes, we'd do it instead. I see it as... a start-up without the worry to make profit. We use analytics only to improve the product. We use this as a product building exercise, that's all. We don't upload movies, we don't run a tracker, we don't belong to any release groups: that's how not interested in piracy we are.
- biot 14y ago> We don't upload movies, we don't run a tracker, we don't belong to > any release groups: that's how not interested in piracy we are. That's like saying "We don't sell crystal meth, we're not distributors for crystal meth, we don't belong to any drug production groups, but our site helps kids obtain crystal meth from those who do: that's how not interested in crystal meth we are."
- nddrylliog 14y agoIn retrospect, you're right, we probably should blacklist Twilight from our DB.
- canadaduane 14y agoYour analogy is paired because both piracy and meth are illegal in the USA. However, the pairing lacks equivalence in my view because crystal meth is clearly (and by nature, not by law) harmful to the user, while piracy is not. A better analogy might be a website that helps others circumvent the Great Firewall of China. It is illegal in one particular country, but circumvention does not harm individuals (only the society, one could argue). "We don't circumvent the wall, we don't run a proxy, we don't belong to tor: that's how not interested in circumventing the wall we are."
- rmc 14y agoYour censorship analogy is flawed, since copyright infringement is not legal in any country (im not sure, but Ethiopia might have started recognising foreign copyrights now)
- canadaduane 14y agoI'm curious if you have a better analogy?
- PeterisP 14y agoDownloading movies from torrents is legal in Canada (covered by a copyright levy on data storage media), for example.
- scott_s 14y agoI find your comment disingenuous. I cannot take you seriously when you argue that you are not "interested" in the very thing you enable and are focused on.
- nddrylliog 14y agoI can see why you would think that. However, if there were APIs to license all that content on an invidual basis instead of linking to torrents, we'd do it instead. Can't really argue beyond that, you're right to some extent.
- res0nat0r 14y agoHow about just linking to the movies themselves if they are available on Hulu, Amazon, Netflix, Lovefilm, iTunes or VUDU instead then?
- nddrylliog 14y agoActually, we're planning on doing that for US visitors. The rest of the world is way too much trouble to serve legally so far (it's not even consistent across providers, it's content-dependant..)
- alecbenzer 14y agoA friend of mine runs a similar site for music [1]. I can't be sure, but I'm fairly certain he didn't do it because he was interested in pirating music (at least not entirely). He did it because he saw that others were interested in pirating music (er, finding links to music that may or may not be pirated), and that a service helping them do that would be useful/appreciated(/get him noticed). [1] http://mppp.it http://mppp.it