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Windows Enterprise editions are the "workaround", of course. Easier said than done and all that. As were the suggestions to switch OSes. That SO thread hurts.

Windows Enterprise editions are the "workaround", of course. Easier said than done and all that. As were the suggestions to switch OSes. That SO thread hurts. As-is tradition, there is one answer that while technically correct, is not applicable to an application you do not have the source for/cannot build from source. Then of course there is the suggestions to pirating Windows Enterprise. Then there are the equally useless "just switch OSes!" arguments. And the other user who doesn't understand what editions of the OS the related GPOs apply to. At least there is one workaround posted which only involves setting up a scheduled task.

readthenotes1 2y ago
Well you may feel it is useless, the just switch OS is becoming increasingly efficient
AshamedCaptain 2y ago
> Then there are the equally useless "just switch OSes!" arguments There is a reason Windows has almost completely lost the "batch" professional desktop market. Same reason my old company developed industrial/CAD desktop software ... for Linux ... on Windows laptops (with Enterprise edition, of course) . Microsoft no longer cares about you or your usecase. What are you going to do ? If you enter a cat and mouse game with MS (pirating, registry tricks, whatever), you will lose.
- namdnay 2y ago
  To be fair, in the case of this specific issue it’s something that is completely configurable in pro/enterprise versions of windows
bhaney 2y ago
> Then there are the equally useless "just switch OSes!" arguments. That's probably by far the most useful solution. It may be obvious and annoying to hear over and over, but we only nag you because we love you. Friends don't let friends be abused by Windows.
- ziddoap 2y ago
  You should be nagging Intuit, Dassault Systèmes, etc. rather than the people that need Windows-only software.
  - bachmeier 2y ago
    That's a standard generic response, but in this case the specified software is Matlab, which runs perfectly on Linux - I use it several times a year on my Ubuntu machine.
    - ziddoap 2y ago
      I'm not sure why the people saying "just switch OS!" can speak generally, but I have to speak specifically to Matlab. Many companies run more than one program, even when one of those programs is Matlab.
      - TheNewsIsHere 2y ago
        To say nothing of the applications and hardware you may wish to use with Matlab and which require Windows.
  - ranger_danger 2y ago
    No company is going to waste time developing, testing and maintaining a new OS port of their software for 0.3% of their userbase. It just doesn't make any sense.
  - bhaney 2y ago
    I'm happy to nag both
bachmeier 2y ago
> Then there are the equally useless "just switch OSes!" arguments. The question does not specify anything AFAICS that demonstrates the simulations require Windows. If someone said they wanted to run MS Word on their Linux machine (not in the browser) a perfectly valid suggestion would be to use Windows. If the OS doesn't support what you need, there aren't a lot of options.
- k8svet 2y ago
  Yeah. I don't know what people want or expect. They might just have to learn something new or admit those crazy Linux people were on to something. Folks, no amount of SO threads is going to make MS reverse course. So...?
pdonis 2y ago
> Then there are the equally useless "just switch OSes!" arguments. When an OS and the company that makes it keeps on showing you that you don't own your computer, they do, at some point switching should be on your radar.
- ziddoap 2y ago
  This ignores the large amount of business software which is Windows only. For many companies, and the people that work for them, you simply can't switch even if you are desperate to.
  - bsder 2y ago
    This used to be an excuse. So much business software has migrated to browser based applications that most people could dump Windows and would never notice. This is why Microsoft has been pushing Office365 so hard.
    - ziddoap 2y ago
      Neither SolidWorks nor QuickBooks runs in browser. Those two pieces of software are absolutely essential to many companies.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        Both run on macOS.
        ziddoap 2y ago
        Not officially, therefor not with support.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > Not officially Yes, officially [1][2]. [1] https://quickbooks.intuit.com/learn-support/en-us/help-article/install-products/install-set-quickbooks-desktop-mac/L4rzUusTS_US_en_US https://quickbooks.intuit.com/learn-support/en-us/help-artic... [2] https://www.solidworks.com/support/system-requirements https://www.solidworks.com/support/system-requirements
jujube3 2y ago
MATLAB is available for Linux. "Just switch OSes" seems like a perfectly valid and actionable piece of advice. What's "useless" is sticking with an operating system that doesn't support the use-cases you need it to. (Buying a license for Windows Enterprise might also be a valid and actionable course of advice -- I don't have experience there, but it should be considered if the use-case requires it.)
- benhurmarcel 2y ago
  > "Just switch OSes" seems like a perfectly valid and actionable piece of advice. It's about as helpful as advising to rewrite his code in C/Rust/Julia so that it doesn't take weeks to run.
courseofaction 2y ago
switching to ubuntu desktop for development has been wonderfully painless and, especially with AI to help with finding the right terminal commands and software, quite accessible.
jabroni_salad 2y ago
I did appreciate the matlab user who suggested a way to make the job restartable. That seems good to me? There's more than just the OS that could cause an interruption. SRE would never have gotten invented if computers were reliable.
tpoacher 2y ago
Actually, in this particular case, switching OSes is probably the best solution. Matlab supports linux, so a dedicated linuxbox for simulations without all the bloat and clutter makes perfect sense.
bruce343434 2y ago
It was only asked 3 days ago. Presumably people are still cooking up workarounds. Of course the obvious-but-low-effort answers are in first.
hi-v-rocknroll 2y ago
Windows non-Education/-Enterprise editions are crippled ad platforms with forced telemetry lacking opt-out. I can't recall how my one Windows machine received legit Enterprise (wasn't full price), but it doesn't suck as much. With GPO options, most of the junk can be disabled. I also have some cheap used Windows Server and Office licenses that I bound to unique disposable email addresses + Microsoft accounts. When the vendor says "FU", piracy and workarounds are legitimate. (FYI: VMware and Citrix gentlemans' agreement to pirate and not cripple production of each others' stuff for indirect, noncommercial purposes.)
dvfjsdhgfv 2y ago
> useless "just switch OSes!" arguments I'm a long-time Linux user and I would discourage people from switching to it on the desktop. Not anymore. It is a viable alternative and the irony is, often more things work out of the box than in Windows as the vast majority of drivers is shipped directly with the kernel. At some point, when someone makes your life more and more miserable, you will have enough and you will switch. Looking at MS actions in the last decade, it's not the question of if, only when.

readthenotes1 2y ago

Well you may feel it is useless, the just switch OS is becoming increasingly efficient

AshamedCaptain 2y ago

> Then there are the equally useless "just switch OSes!" arguments There is a reason Windows has almost completely lost the "batch" professional desktop market. Same reason my old company developed industrial/CAD desktop software ... for Linux ... on Windows laptops (with Enterprise edition, of course) . Microsoft no longer cares about you or your usecase. What are you going to do ? If you enter a cat and mouse game with MS (pirating, registry tricks, whatever), you will lose.

namdnay 2y ago
To be fair, in the case of this specific issue it’s something that is completely configurable in pro/enterprise versions of windows

bhaney 2y ago

> Then there are the equally useless "just switch OSes!" arguments. That's probably by far the most useful solution. It may be obvious and annoying to hear over and over, but we only nag you because we love you. Friends don't let friends be abused by Windows.

ziddoap 2y ago
You should be nagging Intuit, Dassault Systèmes, etc. rather than the people that need Windows-only software.
- bachmeier 2y ago
  That's a standard generic response, but in this case the specified software is Matlab, which runs perfectly on Linux - I use it several times a year on my Ubuntu machine.
  - ziddoap 2y ago
    I'm not sure why the people saying "just switch OS!" can speak generally, but I have to speak specifically to Matlab. Many companies run more than one program, even when one of those programs is Matlab.
    - TheNewsIsHere 2y ago
      To say nothing of the applications and hardware you may wish to use with Matlab and which require Windows.
- ranger_danger 2y ago
  No company is going to waste time developing, testing and maintaining a new OS port of their software for 0.3% of their userbase. It just doesn't make any sense.
- bhaney 2y ago
  I'm happy to nag both

bachmeier 2y ago

> Then there are the equally useless "just switch OSes!" arguments. The question does not specify anything AFAICS that demonstrates the simulations require Windows. If someone said they wanted to run MS Word on their Linux machine (not in the browser) a perfectly valid suggestion would be to use Windows. If the OS doesn't support what you need, there aren't a lot of options.

k8svet 2y ago
Yeah. I don't know what people want or expect. They might just have to learn something new or admit those crazy Linux people were on to something. Folks, no amount of SO threads is going to make MS reverse course. So...?

pdonis 2y ago

> Then there are the equally useless "just switch OSes!" arguments. When an OS and the company that makes it keeps on showing you that you don't own your computer, they do, at some point switching should be on your radar.

ziddoap 2y ago
This ignores the large amount of business software which is Windows only. For many companies, and the people that work for them, you simply can't switch even if you are desperate to.
- bsder 2y ago
  This used to be an excuse. So much business software has migrated to browser based applications that most people could dump Windows and would never notice. This is why Microsoft has been pushing Office365 so hard.
  - ziddoap 2y ago
    Neither SolidWorks nor QuickBooks runs in browser. Those two pieces of software are absolutely essential to many companies.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      Both run on macOS.
      - ziddoap 2y ago
        Not officially, therefor not with support.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > Not officially Yes, officially [1][2]. [1] https://quickbooks.intuit.com/learn-support/en-us/help-article/install-products/install-set-quickbooks-desktop-mac/L4rzUusTS_US_en_US https://quickbooks.intuit.com/learn-support/en-us/help-artic... [2] https://www.solidworks.com/support/system-requirements https://www.solidworks.com/support/system-requirements

jujube3 2y ago

MATLAB is available for Linux. "Just switch OSes" seems like a perfectly valid and actionable piece of advice. What's "useless" is sticking with an operating system that doesn't support the use-cases you need it to. (Buying a license for Windows Enterprise might also be a valid and actionable course of advice -- I don't have experience there, but it should be considered if the use-case requires it.)

benhurmarcel 2y ago
> "Just switch OSes" seems like a perfectly valid and actionable piece of advice. It's about as helpful as advising to rewrite his code in C/Rust/Julia so that it doesn't take weeks to run.

courseofaction 2y ago

switching to ubuntu desktop for development has been wonderfully painless and, especially with AI to help with finding the right terminal commands and software, quite accessible.

jabroni_salad 2y ago

I did appreciate the matlab user who suggested a way to make the job restartable. That seems good to me? There's more than just the OS that could cause an interruption. SRE would never have gotten invented if computers were reliable.

tpoacher 2y ago

Actually, in this particular case, switching OSes is probably the best solution. Matlab supports linux, so a dedicated linuxbox for simulations without all the bloat and clutter makes perfect sense.

bruce343434 2y ago

It was only asked 3 days ago. Presumably people are still cooking up workarounds. Of course the obvious-but-low-effort answers are in first.

hi-v-rocknroll 2y ago

Windows non-Education/-Enterprise editions are crippled ad platforms with forced telemetry lacking opt-out. I can't recall how my one Windows machine received legit Enterprise (wasn't full price), but it doesn't suck as much. With GPO options, most of the junk can be disabled. I also have some cheap used Windows Server and Office licenses that I bound to unique disposable email addresses + Microsoft accounts. When the vendor says "FU", piracy and workarounds are legitimate. (FYI: VMware and Citrix gentlemans' agreement to pirate and not cripple production of each others' stuff for indirect, noncommercial purposes.)

dvfjsdhgfv 2y ago

> useless "just switch OSes!" arguments I'm a long-time Linux user and I would discourage people from switching to it on the desktop. Not anymore. It is a viable alternative and the irony is, often more things work out of the box than in Windows as the vast majority of drivers is shipped directly with the kernel. At some point, when someone makes your life more and more miserable, you will have enough and you will switch. Looking at MS actions in the last decade, it's not the question of if, only when.