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I'm sorry to recommend you that, but i have experience with homelessness. You have two temporary solutions: - join a group of squatters (hopefully you already

by orwin 2y ago

I'm sorry to recommend you that, but i have experience with homelessness. You have two temporary solutions: - join a group of squatters (hopefully you already know someone) until you get your bearings. The less ideological ones often squat old industrial properties, or long-abandoned houses (its rough in winter, but in Portugal you should be fine). You might meet some Urbex guys, they're nice and always fine with finding squatters. - Live in a "big enough" car. You absolutely need to rest on a completely flat surface. I knew someone who got the back seats down and put a wooden plank on it. If you're less than 1.80 and don't move on your sleep, you have a lot of choice (the diagonal is nice), else it might be a bit more expensive. A very short-term solution is squatting with a close friend, but you shouldn't abuse it too much, it strains relationships.

ProllyInfamous 2y ago
I recently kayaked a stretch of the Tennessee River, between state parks, and within an hour of paddling I passed both a homeless riverside "tent city" [technically "public camping" on TWRA/state land] and then the most-expensive house for sale in our entire metro area (just around the same peninsula). These inholdings, both impoverished and not, were each having their respective parties (cheap beer in common) along the lakeside. Titties abounded - "howdy neighbor" - the no-betterness of being "commoners, enjoying this day upon the lake." Interestingly, the poverty beach camp seemed to be having more fun; but obviously the multi-million $$$ homeowners are in much easier/better situations (likely).
- crtified 2y ago
  It's one of the interesting paradoxes of human life, I think - that the poorer have more incentive to have fun.
  - charlie0 2y ago
    The poor have much less to lose and have probably accepted their fate. The rich are always thinking of how to get richer without loosing it all.
    - ProllyInfamous 2y ago
      >The poor have ... accepted their fate. "What am I gonna do about it!??" is a common way I've heard this sentiment expressed.
- orwin 2y ago
  I've lived on and off a semi-rural "squatter" community by ideological choice for around a year [0] (that experience helped _a lot_ later when i was homeless by lack of resources, while i finished my engineering degree), i've probably never had as much fun as i did at the time. Learned juggling, guitar and basic human interactions i had trouble with at the time. We shared alcohol, games and stories with everyone who went to say hello, even cops at the time (it was after César but before 2016) [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZAD_de_Notre-Dame-des-Landes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZAD_de_Notre-Dame-des-Landes
  - ProllyInfamous 2y ago
    Did you grow up in Loire-Atlantique..? or how did you discover this community? I probably couldn't "hack it" out in the wilderness of NAD, but always regret having not joined a hippie co-op (living situation) while in college [I once dated a gal living in one... it was so neat and inexpensive, but she was a sloot].
    - orwin 2y ago
      Close by. I was in Nantes university (UFR) in 2009, failed to get my math bachelor degree in 2012 and took a gap year (i absolutely couldn't stand uni life anymore) where i lived between NDDL and youth camps as a counselor (also was part of "Les petits débrouillards" to teach kids science through experiments, but my expenses were barely covered to be totally honest, so i don't know if i could count this as a job).
      - ProllyInfamous 2y ago
        >failed to get my math bachelor degree I somehow completed my BS(chem) without ever taking a college math class, under a teaching scholarship. Then I dropped out of grad school, unprepared for reality. -- To where has your last decade enriched you?
- stevenwoo 2y ago
  In between San Francisco and San Jose, almost every underpass that has any underbrush potentially has a homeless settlement. There was an effort to clear some of these out but I saw several on my last bicycle ride in the area. Pre pandemic there were some on ramps that had tents just off the sidewalk for several hundred yards - it's our modern dystopia. There's a railway right of way near Facebook HQ in Menlo Park that had at least four cars parked way off the road in the brush with tents, and a few miles from Apple HQ there are lots of homeless people living on water/railway right of ways and in underpasses.
moralestapia 2y ago
>join a group of squatters Lol, it really is true that "civilization" is three meals away from being kaput.
- geraldhh 2y ago
  squatting solves the problem of individuals in civilizations being grossly uncivilized
- orwin 2y ago
  You know most of the time, squatters don't hurt anyone, don't make noise as its often an industrial building that's squatted, and are pretty nice communities to live in (there is an alcohol and unprotected sex issue though). Medium to large communities (often once you have children) can be problematic but it isn't the majority in western countries.
alickz 2y ago
> The less ideological ones often squat old industrial properties Where do the more ideological ones go? and what ideologies are we talking about here

by orwin 2y ago

ProllyInfamous 2y ago

I recently kayaked a stretch of the Tennessee River, between state parks, and within an hour of paddling I passed both a homeless riverside "tent city" [technically "public camping" on TWRA/state land] and then the most-expensive house for sale in our entire metro area (just around the same peninsula). These inholdings, both impoverished and not, were each having their respective parties (cheap beer in common) along the lakeside. Titties abounded - "howdy neighbor" - the no-betterness of being "commoners, enjoying this day upon the lake." Interestingly, the poverty beach camp seemed to be having more fun; but obviously the multi-million $$$ homeowners are in much easier/better situations (likely).

crtified 2y ago
It's one of the interesting paradoxes of human life, I think - that the poorer have more incentive to have fun.
- charlie0 2y ago
  The poor have much less to lose and have probably accepted their fate. The rich are always thinking of how to get richer without loosing it all.
  - ProllyInfamous 2y ago
    >The poor have ... accepted their fate. "What am I gonna do about it!??" is a common way I've heard this sentiment expressed.
orwin 2y ago
I've lived on and off a semi-rural "squatter" community by ideological choice for around a year [0] (that experience helped _a lot_ later when i was homeless by lack of resources, while i finished my engineering degree), i've probably never had as much fun as i did at the time. Learned juggling, guitar and basic human interactions i had trouble with at the time. We shared alcohol, games and stories with everyone who went to say hello, even cops at the time (it was after César but before 2016) [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZAD_de_Notre-Dame-des-Landes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZAD_de_Notre-Dame-des-Landes
- ProllyInfamous 2y ago
  Did you grow up in Loire-Atlantique..? or how did you discover this community? I probably couldn't "hack it" out in the wilderness of NAD, but always regret having not joined a hippie co-op (living situation) while in college [I once dated a gal living in one... it was so neat and inexpensive, but she was a sloot].
  - orwin 2y ago
    Close by. I was in Nantes university (UFR) in 2009, failed to get my math bachelor degree in 2012 and took a gap year (i absolutely couldn't stand uni life anymore) where i lived between NDDL and youth camps as a counselor (also was part of "Les petits débrouillards" to teach kids science through experiments, but my expenses were barely covered to be totally honest, so i don't know if i could count this as a job).
    - ProllyInfamous 2y ago
      >failed to get my math bachelor degree I somehow completed my BS(chem) without ever taking a college math class, under a teaching scholarship. Then I dropped out of grad school, unprepared for reality. -- To where has your last decade enriched you?
stevenwoo 2y ago
In between San Francisco and San Jose, almost every underpass that has any underbrush potentially has a homeless settlement. There was an effort to clear some of these out but I saw several on my last bicycle ride in the area. Pre pandemic there were some on ramps that had tents just off the sidewalk for several hundred yards - it's our modern dystopia. There's a railway right of way near Facebook HQ in Menlo Park that had at least four cars parked way off the road in the brush with tents, and a few miles from Apple HQ there are lots of homeless people living on water/railway right of ways and in underpasses.

moralestapia 2y ago

>join a group of squatters Lol, it really is true that "civilization" is three meals away from being kaput.

geraldhh 2y ago
squatting solves the problem of individuals in civilizations being grossly uncivilized
orwin 2y ago
You know most of the time, squatters don't hurt anyone, don't make noise as its often an industrial building that's squatted, and are pretty nice communities to live in (there is an alcohol and unprotected sex issue though). Medium to large communities (often once you have children) can be problematic but it isn't the majority in western countries.

alickz 2y ago

> The less ideological ones often squat old industrial properties Where do the more ideological ones go? and what ideologies are we talking about here