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After Legalizing Raw Milk, Legislators Fall Ill from Drinking Raw Milk (2016)
- keikobadthebad 2y agoFrom 2016, although mistakes were made, not sure any lessons learned.
- HarHarVeryFunny 2y agoMaybe a good lesson for 2024 though, given bird flu spreading unchecked among cows.
- ceejayoz 2y agoLessons definitely not learned. > One sick delegate, Pat McGeehan, agrees with the stomach bug theory. He states, "I had a small sip and walked away and tossed the rest of it. I highly doubt raw milk had anything to do with it, in my case." The local news station spent some time in McGeehan's office while he laid on a sofa, his hand over his face, moaning about stomach cramps.
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- aamoyg 2y agoRaw milk takes time to get used to, and also you have to boil it before consuming it (know this from spending summers in India).
- NikolaNovak 2y agoThen... It's no longer raw milk for purpose of this discussion. That's pretty much what pasteurization is, (using heat to partially sterilize milk), which is what these folks are inexplicably fighting :-(
- ceejayoz 2y agoBoiling raw milk makes it... not raw. You've pasteurized it.
- Loughla 2y agoThis is an astounding thread. Why drink milk that has been pasteurized when you can just buy more expensive raw milk and pasteurize it yourself? Astounding.
- sva_ 2y agoEh, I tried it and it still tastes different for sure when it is not homogenized
- ceejayoz 2y agoHomogenization and pasteurization are different things. My local dairy offers cream-top non-homogenized milk; it's still pasteurized. (They also use a lower temperature, longer exposure process.)
- toomuchtodo 2y agoHave you tried milk that has been flash pasteurized? Asking because I’ve noticed it’s been hard to find of recent and you mentioned a local dairy (which is usually more willing to offer alternatives depending on local market and resources). Recommend if you haven’t tried it! The taste profile gives a hint of sweetness while extending shelf life of the product. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_pasteurization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_pasteurization
- ceejayoz 2y agoMy dairy (https://www.pittsfordfarmsdairy.com/dairy https://www.pittsfordfarmsdairy.com/dairy) does 145°F vat pasteurization for 30 minutes. I'd imagine flash pasteurization is better than the ultra-high temperature technique the average grocery store milk uses (280°F for two seconds), but having made lots of things like custards I'm willing to bet the difference between 145 and 165, even if for a much shorter time, is pretty huge. I can't drink the grocery store stuff any more.
- orblivion 2y agoHeadline doesn't even match their own story. It was a matter of speculation, with alternate plausible explanations. In a strange coincidence — or not — many of them became ill hours and days later. ... While many are attributing the bouts of illness to consuming raw milk, other lawmakers say there has been a stomach bug going around which may have caused the sickness. Anyway this story seems off-topic for HN.
- saagarjha 2y agoReal question is why you would want to legalize this in the first place. On one hand, you might fall sick, on the other hand you get…what? Some good vibes that the milk is raw?
- workingdog 2y agoI think it's stupid, but some of my behaviors seem stupid to others: I worship an invisible deity. Some people get carbon pushed into their skin. Other people change their sex by modifying body parts. We should be free to do (generally) whatever the heck we want to do.
- alistairSH 2y agoYou are free to consume raw milk. You are not free to sell it to others. This seems reasonable to me - same as most food safety regulations.
- rascul 2y agoCan sell it soon in West Virginia. https://getrawmilk.com/content/raw-milk-legalized-in-west-virginia https://getrawmilk.com/content/raw-milk-legalized-in-west-vi... Looks like in 2016 it was only available through a herdshare thing. Not really sure what that is. I guess that's how the delegate in the original article got it.
- alistairSH 2y agoHerd share is just shared ownership of a herd. Usually used as an end-around regulations on milk and meat production (as a co-owner of the livestock, you can consume whatever you want without regulation).
- toomuchtodo 2y agoYou’re expecting rationality from an irrational actor or actors. Not an effective use of time.
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- throwaway_fjmr 2y agoCoincidence? Or poor hygiene standards? I have been consuming raw milk from safe, controlled, legal sources in Europe for decades without any issues.
- janice1999 2y agoThe differences in US and EU farming practices is sometimes astounding, both in terms of hygiene and animal welfare. It's still not a great idea to drink unpasteurised milk here in Europe though. Udders still get dirty, cows still get infections - you can still get unlucky.
- sva_ 2y agoI recently found a milk vending machine on a farm a bit away from the city here (Germany.) You just have to bring your own bottle, 1 euro/liter and it's local. I'd rather give the farmer the full price, rather than dealing with the grocery store margins. But I'm always a bit skeptical due to infections. Didnt some famous natural scientist die from it in the 60s or so? There is a sign on the machine telling you to bring the milk to a boil before consumption, mainly just because it is mandated by law. Most people do not seem to boil it off.
- bun_terminator 2y ago4th big anti raw-milk article this week on HN. Is there an agenda? How about we let people do what they want?
- EA-3167 2y agoHere's the agenda: https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/high-h5n1-influenza-levels-found-mice-given-raw-milk-infected-dairy-cows https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/high-h5n1-infl... High H5N1 influenza levels found in mice given raw milk from infected dairy cows The agenda: "Please don't turn your anti-government protest into the next pandemic. Thanks.
- lylejantzi3rd 2y agoWhat is with the sudden, coordinated push against raw milk?
- ceejayoz 2y agoThere's currently a widespread outbreak of H5N1 bird flu in America's dairies, so it's in the news. https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2024/05/25/g-s1-460/bird-flu-virus-raw-milk-safety https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2024/05/25/g-...
- lylejantzi3rd 2y agoI don't buy it. This isn't the first crusade against raw milk. The previous attempts had nothing to do with bird flu. It's a bizarre thing to mobilize a nation-wide campaign against, yet it keeps happening.
- ceejayoz 2y ago> This isn't the first crusade against raw milk. Well, sure. It has always had a risk to it. You'll see a lot of articles about washing salads when there's an active E. coli or listeria outbreak in bagged salads, without some dark conspiracy being involved.
- lylejantzi3rd 2y agoI find it amusing that you think this disproves my point in any way.
- ceejayoz 2y agoPerhaps you could clarify your point, then, as you've argued that recent articles about raw milk constitute a conspiracy against it, while simultaneously acknowledging that concerns are hardly new or unusual. Which is it?
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