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This is Microsoft collecting lots of data to shove into AI training while selling the data collection to users as a feature for their benefit. Same as Google a

This is Microsoft collecting lots of data to shove into AI training while selling the data collection to users as a feature for their benefit. Same as Google adding feature to android to warn you on live calls if they detect it's a scam call. Requires them collecting, uploading and analyzing the phone call live in process. You are the product, and so is your data.

oriel 2y ago
This comment is the product. Most recently I experienced it with the slack LLM announcement with a lack of real opt-out. I've long since moved to federated services and minimized my footprint on centralized for-profit services and sites as a result. Makes me wonder if there is (or should be created) a list of companies and their data offenses akin to layoffs.fyi
chung8123 2y ago
This is encrypted with local storage. How is this data being used to train and sell for them?
- Eggpants 2y ago
  Except the user license agreement states Microsoft can upload/download anything, run anything, and ignore any user setting on “your” computer.
  - throwaway5959 2y ago
    Can you link me to that? I’d like to read it.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - Eggpants 2y ago
      You have to navigate all the side links of this page https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/servicesagreement/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/servicesagreement/ and the separated privacy policy, But here’s a good starting point in Paragraph 2.b It’s been modified slightly since I last captured this snippet: [...] you grant to Microsoft a worldwide and royalty-free intellectual property license to use Your Content, for example, to make copies of, retain, transmit, reformat, display, and distribute via communication tools Your Content on the Services [...]
    - Eggpants 2y ago
      https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-US/data-collection-Windows https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-US/data-collection-Windows Noting. The middle of the page: Note – Consumer users can’t turn off essential services. And here https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/essential-services-and-connected-experiences-for-windows-eee3da50-e13a-4a1a-901f-714925287715 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/essential-services... Now ask yourself how can Microsoft get away with not allowing the user to turn off services? Because it’s in the EULA.
- shrimp_emoji 2y ago
  This is a black box proprietary operating system. Called Windows. How do you know anything works according to specification, both intentionally and unintentionally?
  - Zambyte 2y ago
    You can at least analyze network traffic if you really want to know. If you care enough to do that though, I would think it would be much easier to just not use Windows.
    - NayamAmarshe 2y ago
      Someone actually did that and it sends encrypted binary-like data to their servers.
- bhyahoo 2y ago
  Do they explicitly say that it's analyzed on device? They stated that video and audio stays local, but what about text transcript from said audio and video?

oriel 2y ago

This comment is the product. Most recently I experienced it with the slack LLM announcement with a lack of real opt-out. I've long since moved to federated services and minimized my footprint on centralized for-profit services and sites as a result. Makes me wonder if there is (or should be created) a list of companies and their data offenses akin to layoffs.fyi

chung8123 2y ago

This is encrypted with local storage. How is this data being used to train and sell for them?

Eggpants 2y ago
Except the user license agreement states Microsoft can upload/download anything, run anything, and ignore any user setting on “your” computer.
- throwaway5959 2y ago
  Can you link me to that? I’d like to read it.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - Eggpants 2y ago
    You have to navigate all the side links of this page https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/servicesagreement/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/servicesagreement/ and the separated privacy policy, But here’s a good starting point in Paragraph 2.b It’s been modified slightly since I last captured this snippet: [...] you grant to Microsoft a worldwide and royalty-free intellectual property license to use Your Content, for example, to make copies of, retain, transmit, reformat, display, and distribute via communication tools Your Content on the Services [...]
  - Eggpants 2y ago
    https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-US/data-collection-Windows https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-US/data-collection-Windows Noting. The middle of the page: Note – Consumer users can’t turn off essential services. And here https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/essential-services-and-connected-experiences-for-windows-eee3da50-e13a-4a1a-901f-714925287715 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/essential-services... Now ask yourself how can Microsoft get away with not allowing the user to turn off services? Because it’s in the EULA.
shrimp_emoji 2y ago
This is a black box proprietary operating system. Called Windows. How do you know anything works according to specification, both intentionally and unintentionally?
- Zambyte 2y ago
  You can at least analyze network traffic if you really want to know. If you care enough to do that though, I would think it would be much easier to just not use Windows.
  - NayamAmarshe 2y ago
    Someone actually did that and it sends encrypted binary-like data to their servers.
bhyahoo 2y ago
Do they explicitly say that it's analyzed on device? They stated that video and audio stays local, but what about text transcript from said audio and video?