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If you dive into the graffiti scene a bit you will start to appreciate all those graffitis. The story behind some of them is super interesting. There is a lot o
by umpalumpaaa 2y ago
If you dive into the graffiti scene a bit you will start to appreciate all those graffitis. The story behind some of them is super interesting. There is a lot of "competition", "collaboration", and group dynamics involved. It is truly fascinating. I was living in Cologne (Ehrenfeld) for a while in a place with awesome graffiti and every weekend there were people taking pictures "collecting" and documenting the graffiti.
Edit: Not "all of those" but "many of those"
- lqet 2y agoThat's fair, but even interesting graffiti still won't let any sunshine come through. Also, I would rather look out the window [0] than appreciate artwork when riding on a train. [0] https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/rheinland-pfalz/trier/1713445921414%2Cgraffiti-an-zuegen-in-trier-haben-zugenommen-102~_v-16x9@2dM_-ad6791ade5eb8b5c935dd377130b903c4b5781d8.jpg https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/rheinland-pfalz/trier/17134459...
- fcsp 2y agoConsidering the look of the train to the vast majority of people outside of it, I'm fine with not seeing anything - I'm staring at my book anyway for the most part, and there's another window on the other side. And I prefer it a lot over those ads that anyway otherwise contaminate the window with some random, probably sexist, racist, or otherwise shite nonsense.
- 2024throwaway 2y agoWhen I ride my local rail, I look forward to getting to pass another train to see all the amazing artwork. It's far nicer and more interesting than yet another development or parking lot.
- imp0cat 2y agoOh lucky you. Most of the defaced trains I see are not amazing. They are hastily done and would hardly qualify as artwork. :(
- flemhans 2y agoSure but it's been like that since forever and doesn't change the original point that you may be ever so innovative but it's gonna be painted over
- flemhans 2y agoI can also start a subculture about competing for the best type of bank robberies, doesn't make bank robberies a nice thing to do. But yeah fascinating
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- vasco 2y agoWhen graffiti is done on public owned objects or walls, it's impact is merely aesthetic. Not like a bank robbery. And I'd rather see graffiti, even if I find some ugly, than ads all over. And there's way more public ads anywhere than graffiti. I think local urban expressions like stickers and graffiti is pretty cool. The mainstream prefers ads I guess.
- germinator 2y agoThey're very cool until it's your apartment or commercial building, and you have to clean it up - because let's face it, for every clever graffiti, there are fifty that are just tags, swear words, or worse. And your framing is odd - can you only dislike one of these things? Graffiti or ads? There are successful movements to rid cities and scenic areas of ads, or to tone them down.
- 2024throwaway 2y ago[flagged]
- ponector 2y agoGraffiti makes world more beautiful the same way as ads do. It is a vandalism and you shouldn't normalize it.
- BriggyDwiggs42 2y agoGraffiti is about 20 to 30 times better than ads brother.
- wongarsu 2y agoIn our city graffiti is allowed on a couple select bridge pillars and retaining walls. Those often have excellent artworks that anyone can appreciate. Not that illegal graffiti can't produce great art too, and the illegality is a part of what fuels the culture. But I've come to the conclusion that if a place is likely to be "vandalized" by graffiti anyways you are better off just allowing it and see what people do without the time pressure of avoiding arrest.
- pizzalife 2y agoHighly recommend the movies by the 1UP crew to get a feel for why this is actually great art.
- yodsanklai 2y agoMy city is filled with horrible graffitis. Some types of ugly signatures, even on historical buildings. It takes only a few weeks after walls are cleaned up to see new graffitis reappearing. It's really sad.
- damsalor 2y agoThe money would probably be better spent in community outreach than cleaning services
- HPsquared 2y agohttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory
- wiseowise 2y agoSome people just want to see the world burn, no amount community outreach will fix that.
- yodsanklai 2y agoIt's not clear to me the profile of the people making these graffitis. At least some of them are made by left-wing anarchists given the slogan. Also, I suspect it's a very small number of people who are responsible for most of them: when paying attention, it's clear that a lot of these "signatures" refer to the same groups or persons. So not sure community outreach would help with those.
- overstay8930 2y agoShiny pile of shit is still pile of shit, I’m glad people are starting to remove the graffiti. Nobody except hippies likes it.
- 123yawaworht456 2y ago[flagged]
- constantcrying 2y agoThere is exactly nothing about defacing public infrastructure which elicits the tiniest spark of "admiration" or "interest" in me. If you want to live out your "artistic ambitions" do it somewhere away from public property.
- brnt 2y agoCan't tell if you speak about architecture of graffiti artists...
- oaiey 2y agoUnfortunately, life is not black and white. Even without knowing anything about graffiti culture, there is a border between defacing and improving. And graffiti artists are moving over that border back and forth. Some of the most beautiful art I have seen are graffiti
- constantcrying 2y agoI have never seen a good looking graffiti which was defacing public property. Granted, I have seen competent images which obviously were commissioned by building owners. All of it was bad art though and immensely displeasing.
- petre 2y ago[flagged]
- constantcrying 2y ago>Are you an art major to be able to judge objectively? There is precisely nothing about "being an art major" that gives you any more or less right to an opinion. Especially if you actually had read anything about current philosophy of art you would realize how dumb that sounds in this context. Since "postmodern" theories of art focus on the inner expression of the artist, contrasted with the subjective experience of the art by the viewer. I am the one who has to suffer through this every day in the train. How am I not entitled to an opinion about that "art"?
- yongjik 2y agoI'm from a country where they once called up the fucking Interpol when someone vandalized a subway car and ran away. There are many things I complain about my country, but this isn't one of them. You wouldn't admire it if you were in a coffee shop and someone decided to unload their artistic ejaculation on your MacBook. Public infrastructure belongs to the public, no single person is the owner, and you don't get to deface it just because you think it's pretty that way. Cleanly maintained public infrastructure sends a message: that this is a place where people take these things seriously.
- doctor_eval 2y agoAre graffiti artists not part of the public? What makes a billboard, for example, more legitimate than graffiti?
- yongjik 2y ago> Are graffiti artists not part of the public? In the same sense bike thieves are.
- fragmede 2y agoconsent. same as the difference between a shower and getting caught out in the rain
- doctor_eval 2y agoI never consent to billboards.
- Moldoteck 2y agomajority of ppl voted for some party, a party that gave consent to place/allow billboards, so indirectly, you gave consent. In the graffity's case - even the ruling party didn't gave consent, it's that they don't have resources to penalize and clean this mess
- xandrius 2y agoIf you only call graffiti the so-called "street art" then yeah but when most are bullshit tags from teenagers in the same cliche style with 0 creativity then it's trash. And the problem is that 99% of the graffiti in the world is trash tags in stations/trains which has the direct impact of giving a rough feel to any well-meaning location. So to me, that kind of graffiti is the result of a "me important" mentality which totally disregards the rest of the community who just loses in all fronts (including aesthetics and monetary).
- tetris11 2y agoOnce you've seen "Becky and Stace" written large on every train station from Basel to Frankfurt, you can't help but admire the effort.
- edejong 2y agoIf you dive into: [wine, jazz, modern art, craft beer, tennis, …] (pick one), you’d also appreciate it more. Thing is, if I decide not to do that, the impact on my life is relatively minor. What gives graffiti artists the right to impose their personal predilection unto others? In other words, given your reasoning, what’s stopping me from playing John Coltrane at 110dBA the whole day and night?
- zo1 2y agoThis entire sub-thread has me worried about society. People that thinks this way about the common good is why we can't have nice things. This is why it'll always be "50% vs 50%" and why we can't all get along and need to be separated.
- a-french-anon 2y agoSome people actually have to live in your decadent cyberpunk wet dream, you know?
- 72deluxe 2y agoWould you be happy to wake up to your car covered in graffiti? It's "art" after all! If not, why not?
- wiseowise 2y agoUgly defacement of public property.
- cubefox 2y agoThe vast majority has no aesthetic value to 99% of people and certainly not to the owner of the property.
- bayindirh 2y agoI mean, if they appreciate the effort going into the keeping the infrastructure working, they can have some (un)written rules like not spraying identification numbers, street signs, transparent surfaces (like windows), I think many people will appreciate what they do and the story behind more. I’m all for street art, but not fond of not being able to navigate because some group decided to let me they were here by making a road sign unintelligible.
- TiredOfLife 2y agoThe same can be said about cartel killings.
- carlosjobim 2y agoEverybody can see the difference between graffiti art and graffiti vandalism. No need to look into the story behind it. Most people appreciate beautiful graffiti and hate the ugly tags and other untalented crap.
- callalex 2y agoThe “competition” associated with the MS13 “artwork” that covers up stop signs and street names in my neighborhood sure seems to involve a lot of guns and human rights violations.
- phyzome 2y agoReminder: You're replying to a comment about graffiti potentially covering something that's supposed to be transparent.