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> a transparent noise barrier Most rail noise barriers in Germany are completely covered in graffiti [0], so I wouldn't expect them to remain transparent for m
by lqet 2y ago
> a transparent noise barrier
Most rail noise barriers in Germany are completely covered in graffiti [0], so I wouldn't expect them to remain transparent for more than a few weeks.
[0] https://ga.de/imgs/93/8/5/9/3/0/9/1/9/tok_8596521c60eeaa53eea42eea57c8b7dc/w1200_h630_x662_y525_GA_85197421_2005565667_RGB_190_1_1_2d14a73e871971ed95a819ea6b69b342_1593349745_2005565667_77b22cacaf-f8bed87dc312e74a.jpg https://ga.de/imgs/93/8/5/9/3/0/9/1/9/tok_8596521c60eeaa53ee...
- andersa 2y agoThat's because the current ones are all ugly metal walls. Painting stuff on them makes it at least slightly less depressing.
- constantcrying 2y agoIt makes it more depressing to see them though. Who likes to be reminded that people will just deface public property for fun?
- muspimerol 2y agoDo you think this "MetaWindow" is much more attractive? Here's a similar looking transparent sound barrier in a new building area that is already starting to be covered in graffiti: https://youtu.be/e7-Fd1HOw_g?si=OTNn_NyV_W7iJStz&t=265 https://youtu.be/e7-Fd1HOw_g?si=OTNn_NyV_W7iJStz&t=265 At least some light will still get through in the gaps between graffiti, but I don't think they will end up looking much different than non-transparent barriers.
- wiseowise 2y agoNo, it doesn't. Before it was a plain metal wall, now it's ugly metal wall with idiotic tags on it.
- umpalumpaaa 2y agoIf you dive into the graffiti scene a bit you will start to appreciate all those graffitis. The story behind some of them is super interesting. There is a lot of "competition", "collaboration", and group dynamics involved. It is truly fascinating. I was living in Cologne (Ehrenfeld) for a while in a place with awesome graffiti and every weekend there were people taking pictures "collecting" and documenting the graffiti. Edit: Not "all of those" but "many of those"
- lqet 2y agoThat's fair, but even interesting graffiti still won't let any sunshine come through. Also, I would rather look out the window [0] than appreciate artwork when riding on a train. [0] https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/rheinland-pfalz/trier/1713445921414%2Cgraffiti-an-zuegen-in-trier-haben-zugenommen-102~_v-16x9@2dM_-ad6791ade5eb8b5c935dd377130b903c4b5781d8.jpg https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/rheinland-pfalz/trier/17134459...
- fcsp 2y agoConsidering the look of the train to the vast majority of people outside of it, I'm fine with not seeing anything - I'm staring at my book anyway for the most part, and there's another window on the other side. And I prefer it a lot over those ads that anyway otherwise contaminate the window with some random, probably sexist, racist, or otherwise shite nonsense.
- 2024throwaway 2y agoWhen I ride my local rail, I look forward to getting to pass another train to see all the amazing artwork. It's far nicer and more interesting than yet another development or parking lot.
- imp0cat 2y agoOh lucky you. Most of the defaced trains I see are not amazing. They are hastily done and would hardly qualify as artwork. :(
- flemhans 2y agoSure but it's been like that since forever and doesn't change the original point that you may be ever so innovative but it's gonna be painted over
- flemhans 2y agoI can also start a subculture about competing for the best type of bank robberies, doesn't make bank robberies a nice thing to do. But yeah fascinating
- wongarsu 2y agoWith the goals stated in the article they only really need to stay transparent in concept renders of new projects. Once built they only need to fulfill the noise insulation targets and be less of an eyesore than their solid counterparts
- ghostly_s 2y ago[0] https://ga.de/imgs/93/8/5/9/3/0/9/1/9/tok_8596521c60eeaa53eea42eea57c8b7dc/w1200_h630_x662_y525_GA_85197421_2005565667_RGB_190_1_1_2d14a73e871971ed95a819ea6b69b342_1593349745_2005565667_77b22cacaf-f8bed87dc312e74a.jpg looks much nicer than a blank wall to me.
- mtmail 2y agoThe article ends "the potential for faster planning approvals and reduced objection rates from communities, ultimately speeding up project completions." so their goal might be to build faster regardless how they'll look soon after.
- DeathArrow 2y agoIsn't vandalism an offense in Germany?
- Maxion 2y agoI'm pretty certain it's an offense in most developed countries.
- fodkodrasz 2y agoIn many places in Europe there is a de-facto truce between graffiti artist and the local governments: You can paint/tag some areas. Typically noise barriers are such, while trains themselves or stations are not. Harder persecution both by authorities and self-policing in the subcult community after some prominents were persecuted and agreed with to help normalize the situation has led to the current status quo, which for example in Hungary has normalized the situation pretty much, public transport and stations are generally not vandalized, and some larger well exposed areas were designated as local "legal walls". I guess the panopticon (cameras becoming cheap and ubiquitous) also helped
- HPsquared 2y agoI think if it was put to a vote, most people would be against graffiti.
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- pjc50 2y agoAlmost everywhere, but it's fairly low priority and impossible to prosecute without Orwellian levels of surveillance.
- HPsquared 2y agoWe already have those levels of surveillance. It's just an unwillingness to do anything.
- highcountess 2y agoMany things are covered in graffiti in Western Europe. It always baffles me that people are in such a defeated state of mind that graffiti is just simply accepted and seemingly nothing is done about it.
- lynx23 2y ago[flagged]
- rsynnott 2y agoI mean, one way to look at it is just that graffiti is just... fine, really. It's not generally a huge deal in the scheme of things.
- andersonklando 2y agoIn Portugal you can see poetry being embedded in graffiti which is awesome, TBH
- Zanneth 2y agoAnd this attitude is why there is so much of it. Why don’t you call it what it is: destruction of public property?
- wolverine876 2y agoFactually, the property isn't destroyed. Beyond that, I think the street art often enhances it and otherwise is easily ignored. You may see it differently, but what you see isn't "what it is", it's just your perspective.
- Vinnl 2y agoAt some point someone made me realise that almost anything that can be said about graffiti can also be said about outdoor advertising.
- dgfitz 2y ago
- Propelloni 2y agoSad, but true. Some people even spray paint the windows of the actual passenger cars [1]. It's not rare and most sprayers do not have the skill of the person who painted this car. I don't get it. [1] https://www.flickr.com/photos/kami68k/50329760658 https://www.flickr.com/photos/kami68k/50329760658
- tuukkah 2y agoDB is also deploying robot dogs against graffiti painters: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40388114 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40388114
- Rinzler89 2y agoGod I hope they graffiti the robot dogs as well because that would be so funny.
- tiagod 2y agoThey will. We're talking of poeple that have no problem stopping a train in a busy station to completely paint it from one side to the other. They'll spray the dog, put a couple stickers on it, and run away.
- Rinzler89 2y agoYour tax Euros at work: Buying expensive useless robot dogs.
- sib 2y agoI'm confused - how do the vandals stop the train?
- _tk_ 2y agoLike this: https://youtu.be/vg5OrytF_a0?t=65 https://youtu.be/vg5OrytF_a0?t=65 TL;DW: Basically, the conductor alerts the police and stops the train, once they realize that the train is being decorated. If they started moving forward, it could seriously endanger the graffiti sprayers. So that's really the best course of action here.
- rangestransform 2y agoIf one graffiti artist delays my train for one minute, that’s one minute too many
- nonrandomstring 2y agoIt's interesting to read this conversation about graffiti happening on a hacker forum, yet it seems stuck in a polarised stand-off around aesthetics and ownership rights. That's a shame, because the root issues are in information warfare, the battle to control information spaces. To the extent The Internet is still considered a "public space"; Is spamming and trolling not a form of digital graffiti? Is the creation of products and apps that have a negative impact on society not a "narcissistic imposition"? Is the appropriation of the commons or other private property to spread messages (advertising or graffiti) not the same in the digital realm? And those who "clean up" graffiti... do we not call then "censors" or "like down/up-voting" when we wish to amplify or make other people's communications in the world disappear because we disagree with them? At the end of the day we are all still animals shouting to be heard the loudest in our jungle. Online or offline we're party to the same personality traits of quiet orderliness or disorganised expression. What happens in cyberspace hardly seems different from what happens IRL with spray-paint.
- helboi4 2y agoYeah I'm deeply disappointed that these so called "hackers" are so united on such a tired, pro-authoritarian view on the use of public space.
- nonrandomstring 2y agoTBH I didn't really mean to situate the remark on an authoritarian-liberal axis, rather to comment on the congruence between meat-space and cyberspace in regard to these themes.
- wiether 2y agoAnd those vandals are doing this for a while now! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_art https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_art