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Apple really, really needs to develop something similar to Samsung's DEX. They insist on keeping iPadOS on training wheels, while also making macOS more iPad-li
by ProfessorLayton 2y ago
Apple really, really needs to develop something similar to Samsung's DEX. They insist on keeping iPadOS on training wheels, while also making macOS more iPad-like (To its detriment imo).
What I think would satisfy a lot of users is if an iPad (And even an iPhone!) turned into a full-on Mac with full macOS with a keyboard and pointer attached. No need to create a convoluted hybrid touch+pointer UX that wouldn't be great at either, like Microsoft has proven. I simply want to be able to do more with the hardware I already own, and transfer files between my mobile/content consumption modes and when I'm creating/developing/working on something.
I know Apple just wants to sell more hardware, but what's happened instead is I've lost interest in getting an iPad altogether.
- threeseed 2y agoApple earns $28b a year from iPad sales. Samsung about a $1b. At some point people on here need to realise that these devices simply aren't designed for them. And that expecting Apple to dilute the value proposition with unpopular features like DEX is kind of misguided.
- ProfessorLayton 2y agoiPad sales have been stagnant for over a decade now, and they were bringing in 30B in revenue in 2012. You're correct that these devices weren't designed for some people — Which is why they aren't buying them. And why I'm suggesting they start making what the people want.
- threeseed 2y ago> And why I'm suggesting they start making what the people want. No it's what you want. The people have spoken. Nobody is buying Dex. Everyone is buying iPads. There is little to no demand for turning the iPad into some tablet-computer hybrid.
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- ProfessorLayton 2y agoThat can be turned around to say that it's you that doesn't want it. Again, sales have been stagnant for a decade, so the people have indeed spoken. The iPad already is a tablet/computer hybrid, it just so happens to be kind of bad at it, which is why articles like these keep popping up. Apple already has an OS optimized for pointer control, just allow macOS to load up with the right hardware connected. If you (or anyone else) doesn't want that experience... Don't? Nothing would be a forced change for anyone that doesn't want it.
- kcplate 2y agoStagnant for a decade with literally 55% of the global tablet market. Seems to me that they are doing just fine.
- ProfessorLayton 2y agostagnant nominally. 30B in 2012 is ~41B today. so a rather stark decline.
- kcplate 2y agoStark decline? This page doesn’t show a “stark decline”. If anything it’s showing remarkable consistency and slightly growing market share. https://www.statista.com/statistics/276635/market-share-held-by-tablet-vendors/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/276635/market-share-held...
- ProfessorLayton 2y agois the iPad going from an inflation-adjusted ~41B in 2012 to 28B today not considered a stark decline in real revenue to you?
- yborg 2y agoThe Surface Pro seems to be exactly what you want, it must be dominating the iPad in unit volume.
- ProfessorLayton 2y agoRight, despite my OP asking to be able to run iPadOS and macOS apps on one device depending on usage, what I must have actually wanted is a device that can do neither.
- walterbell 2y agoiPad learned from Surface. They can learn from upcoming Qualcomm Arm devices designed by x86 PC OEMs.
- pquki4 2y agoI mean, a Surface Pro starts at $800 (or closer to $1k for a proper setup) while an iPad $350. The vast majority of iPad sales likely come from the lower end. There is no way to compare their sales number.
- kcplate 2y agoFunny, the iPad is exactly what I want and I just ordered my third IPad Pro.
- theshrike79 2y agoiPad sales aren't stagnating because people don't want them. They are stagnating because the market is saturated. The iPad is a "private" device, so there isn't any social pressure to have the latest model. You're not taking it out in public multiple times a day. The use cases are also more limited, so even when the software support ends, there isn't that much incentive to upgrade. Streaming services still work, browser works and the drawing apps work, no point in getting a new one. I've owned iPads since the 2nd gen and haven't had a single one's battery die on me. Every time the device physically broke (after being handed down twice) before the battery died.
- Gigachad 2y agoThe iPad is kind of just too good in a way. My mum uses a 2014 iPad Air 2. I bought it second hand for very cheap years ago. It still works perfectly fine. It’s been dropped several times on concrete and somehow didn’t smash. There is very little pressure to upgrade it to a newer one.
- barbariangrunge 2y agoSamsung and googles past privacy practices scare the crap out of me. That’s why I own an iPad and not an android
- pompino 2y agoYeah, its not like companies care about user sentiment or ever take feedback into account for future product features. /s
- m463 2y agoI suspect they want to expand the apple control of ios/ipados to the mac, instead of the user control of macos to ios/ipados (and the commercial non-control). I don't like it. My purchasing habits wrt apple products has diminished and is now near zero. Without their nonsense, I would purchase mac products without thinking as a trusted tool.
- walterbell 2y agoiOS security is good for consumption use cases. Developers need flexibility, e.g. VMs isolated by Apple Silicon nested virtualization.
- m463 2y agoand "consumers" could continue, while more creative types (the crazy ones) could have a way to allow a few of their own binaries to run in the way they want.
- jamil7 2y agoWell never say never but doing this would completely destroy the ability to build software on a mac.
- m463 2y agoI don't understand this comment. Apple has will for many things. They could give you a rubber room to build software on a mac or even an ipad, but keep strings attached and not let you run it without asking permission (like ios now)
- wvenable 2y agoI think they've done the math on this one. They very heavily segment the market and most Apple users own several Apple devices. They fundamentally don't believe in the idea of one device being all things. This is also why their laptops don't have touchscreens. I also don't think you can't bring all this to a device like an iPad and not alienate part of the existing market.
- walterbell 2y agoiPad Ultra [mode or device].
- wvenable 2y agoHow do describe what it means to be an iPad? This is something that Apple cares about. If you have an iPad that is fundamentally different [more or device] then it's not really an iPad anymore.
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- walterbell 2y agoThe word iPad is already overloaded: iPad iPad Mini iPad Air 11/13, USB3 iPad Pro 11/13, USB4 iPad Pro 11/13 1TB+, USB4, 16GB, extra CPU core, matte [Ultra?] Optional Pencil, wired thin keyboard, wired magic keyboard+trackpad, wireless (less secure) 3rd party keyboard cases, external display with Stage Manager, virtual desktop with Sidecar, Lockdown mode for more security, HDMI input as standalone monitor, USB ethernet, realtime audio descriptions of live camera feed, Center Stage auto-follow human during video conferencing, ... the list goes on.
- wvenable 2y agoYet when someone picks up an iPad, regardless of specs, it's fundamentally the same experience. Same with all the iPhones and same with all the Macs.
- refracture 2y agoIsn’t it telling that my m1 iPad Pro gets signifcantly less use than my crappy old Intel Dell (doing tasks MacOS is very much capable of)? I probably wouldn’t replace it if something happened to it. iPad OS feels like a toy compared to a Mac.
- criddell 2y agoIs it telling that my 2018 iPad Pro gets significantly more use than my ThinkPad P1? iPadOS is a joy to use compared to Fedora 40 and Windows 11 Pro.
- refracture 2y agoIf your use case allows for it there's nothing wrong with using the OS you find the most enjoyable to use. I find myself doing stuff on my PC frequently that either isn't practical or currently possible on an iPad (but in most cases would be on a Mac). The only time I use my iPad over a laptop or something is for reading, watching videos or if I'm simply using it as a glorified ssh/rdp client to work on my other machines, but that's only if I want to consume media or read before I want to do anything else, which isn't often, and I don't generally put away my laptop to switch a tablet if the laptop can already do it. Little things like the complete lack of multi-user support is why I don't ever hand it over to my kids or anything, they're insistent that it's a personal device and I find that unacceptable when they market it as a general computing replacement device that can't do something that has been available for decades everywhere else, even amongst their own products.. and that's without even going into having the ability to run software without Apple's blessing.. sideloading is not convenient and I've decided I'm no longer interested in buying a tablet or computer for myself that fights me on what software I can run on it.
- criddell 2y ago> I find myself doing stuff on my PC frequently that either isn't practical or currently possible on an iPad Same here, but for me it goes both ways.
- throwaway290 2y agoMaybe if you like DEX you should just buy DEX? I love the iPad I have and I don't need more ways to shoot myself in the foot, I have a computer for that
- ProfessorLayton 2y agoThis is akin to telling people that want to load their own software/sideload apps to an iPhone to go buy an Android. It is neither what they asked for, nor something that'll impact you if you choose not to participate.
- throwaway290 2y agoNo, it is telling people "if you want a computer then get a computer". Perhaps one reason iPad is so insanely successful and a pleasure to use (compared to dex etc) is that it's specifically not one. Connect the dots.
- criddell 2y agoYou’re describing me. If it were up to me, the iPad would be even simpler than it is now.
- kokada 2y agoI really don't have any issue with iPad being focused in non-technical users, but them Apple really should drop the "Pro" moniker in iPad and just stop using Apple Mx and go back to use Ax CPUs instead (and also, a sharp drop in price). I think that is the main point of the article above, and also why so many people would want an iPad Pro to actually have Pro features [1]. [1]: Yes, I know about iPhone Pro, but at least iPhone Pro have some exclusive features that make sense for Pro users like USB 3.0 and ProRes camera features. However in the case of iPad Pro, what is actually the workflow that requires a better CPU? Final Cut? And that is it basically.
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- pjmlp 2y agoIf anything, Microsoft has proven hybrid laptops are loved by enteprises, and they would even buy more Surfaces, if the Surface business unit wasn't having some drama due to the way Windows gets managed nowadays.
- yen223 2y agoHow often does Samsung Dex gets used?
- prmoustache 2y agoDisclaimer: I don't own an iPad so cannot test this. Isn't UTM working on iPad? Looks like it according to UTM web pages. What prevents anyone to run MacOS or any Linux distro as a fullscreen VM on iPadOS like it was a regular laptop?
- halJordan 2y agoStage Manager does do this