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Hear me out: what if we don't want real?

by llm_trw 2y ago

gffrd 2y ago
Hmm! Tell me more: why not want real? What are the upsides? And downsides?
- grugagag 2y ago
  Real would pop their bubble. An AI would tell them what they want to hear, how they want it to hear, when they want to hear it. Except there won’t be any real partner.
- globular-toast 2y ago
  To paraphrase Patrice O'Neal: men want to be alone, but we don't want to be by ourselves. That means we want a woman to be around, just not right here.
- aleph_minus_one 2y ago
  > Hmm! Tell me more: why not want real? What are the upsides? And downsides? Finding a partner with which you resonate takes a lot of time, which means an insanely high opportunity cost. The question rather is: even if you consider the real one to be clearly better, is it worth the additional cost (including opportunity cost)? Or phrased in a HN-friendly language: when doing development of some product, why use an expensive Intel or AMD processor when a simple microcontroller does the job much more cheaply?
  - antegamisou 2y ago
    You need counseling if this really is your approach on forming relationships with others.
    - aleph_minus_one 2y ago
      It's pretty steep to claim that I need counseling when I tell basic economic facts that every economics student learns in the first few months of his academic studies. If you don't like the harsh truth that I wrote: basically every somewhat encompassing textbook about business administration gives hints on what are possible solutions for this problem; lying on some head shrinker's couch is not one of them ... :-)
      - antegamisou 2y ago
        > basic economic facts that every economics student learns in the first few months of his academic studies. Millions of people around the world are in satisfying relationships without autistically extrapolating shitty corporate buzzword terms to unrelated scenarios. This reply validates even more my original comment. Maybe not even counseling is worth it in your case. You sound unsalvageable. Maybe institutionalization is a better option.
        aleph_minus_one 2y ago
        > You sound unsalvageable. I am indeed unsalvageable. :-D
cryptoegorophy 2y ago
I will take a picture of this message and add it to the list of reasons for population collapse.
- DonHopkins 2y ago
  That may be how AI ends up saving the Earth!
- llm_trw 2y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uE96qUlJ_4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uE96qUlJ_4 Here's a video.
- astrange 2y ago
  That's a partial equilibrium solution - natural selection will cause people to evolve around this danger.
  - DonHopkins 2y ago
    About 10% to 20% of people will bother to breed, which seems like a sustainable equilibrium: https://evil.fandom.com/wiki/Robophobia https://evil.fandom.com/wiki/Robophobia >According to the book Phobias: "A Handbook of Theory and Treatment", published by Wile Coyote, between 10% and 20% of people worldwide are affected by robophobia. Even though many of them have severe symptoms, a very small percentage will ever receive some kind of treatment for the disorder.
gcanyon 2y ago
Hear me out: what if this overlaps 80% with what "real" really is?
- TaylorAlexander 2y ago
  Well it doesn’t. Humans are so much more complex than what we have seen before, and if this new launch was actually that much closer to being a human they would say so. This seems more like an enhancement on multimodal capabilities and reaction time. That said even if this did overlap 80% with “real”, the question remains: what if we don’t want that?
  - amelius 2y ago
    I'm betting that 80% of what most humans say in daily life is low-effort and can be generated by AI. The question is if most people really need the remaining 20% to experience a connection. I would guess: yes.
    - Capricorn2481 2y ago
      Even if this were true, which it isn't, you can't boil down humans to just what they say
    - brookst 2y ago
      This. We are mostly token predictors. We're not entirely token predictors, but it's at least 80%. Being in the AI space the past few years has really made me notice how similar we are to LLMs. I notice it so often in meetings where someone will use a somewhat uncommon word, and then other people will start to use it because it's in their context window. Or when someone asks a question like "what's the forecast for q3" and the responder almost always starts with "Thanks for asking! The forecast for q3 is...". Note that low-effort does not mean low-quality or low-value. Just that we seem to have a lot of language/interaction processes that are low-effort. And as far as dating, I am sure I've been in some relationships where they and/or I were not going beyond low-effort, rote conversation generation.
DonHopkins 2y ago
What if AI chooses the bear?
mpenick 2y ago
This is a good question! I think in the short-term fake can work for a lot of people.
__loam 2y ago
Mental health crisis waiting to happen lmao

Hear me out: what if we don't want real?

gffrd 2y ago

Hmm! Tell me more: why not want real? What are the upsides? And downsides?

grugagag 2y ago
Real would pop their bubble. An AI would tell them what they want to hear, how they want it to hear, when they want to hear it. Except there won’t be any real partner.
globular-toast 2y ago
To paraphrase Patrice O'Neal: men want to be alone, but we don't want to be by ourselves. That means we want a woman to be around, just not right here.
aleph_minus_one 2y ago
> Hmm! Tell me more: why not want real? What are the upsides? And downsides? Finding a partner with which you resonate takes a lot of time, which means an insanely high opportunity cost. The question rather is: even if you consider the real one to be clearly better, is it worth the additional cost (including opportunity cost)? Or phrased in a HN-friendly language: when doing development of some product, why use an expensive Intel or AMD processor when a simple microcontroller does the job much more cheaply?
- antegamisou 2y ago
  You need counseling if this really is your approach on forming relationships with others.
  - aleph_minus_one 2y ago
    It's pretty steep to claim that I need counseling when I tell basic economic facts that every economics student learns in the first few months of his academic studies. If you don't like the harsh truth that I wrote: basically every somewhat encompassing textbook about business administration gives hints on what are possible solutions for this problem; lying on some head shrinker's couch is not one of them ... :-)
    - antegamisou 2y ago
      > basic economic facts that every economics student learns in the first few months of his academic studies. Millions of people around the world are in satisfying relationships without autistically extrapolating shitty corporate buzzword terms to unrelated scenarios. This reply validates even more my original comment. Maybe not even counseling is worth it in your case. You sound unsalvageable. Maybe institutionalization is a better option.
      - aleph_minus_one 2y ago
        > You sound unsalvageable. I am indeed unsalvageable. :-D

cryptoegorophy 2y ago

I will take a picture of this message and add it to the list of reasons for population collapse.

DonHopkins 2y ago
That may be how AI ends up saving the Earth!
llm_trw 2y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uE96qUlJ_4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uE96qUlJ_4 Here's a video.
astrange 2y ago
That's a partial equilibrium solution - natural selection will cause people to evolve around this danger.
- DonHopkins 2y ago
  About 10% to 20% of people will bother to breed, which seems like a sustainable equilibrium: https://evil.fandom.com/wiki/Robophobia https://evil.fandom.com/wiki/Robophobia >According to the book Phobias: "A Handbook of Theory and Treatment", published by Wile Coyote, between 10% and 20% of people worldwide are affected by robophobia. Even though many of them have severe symptoms, a very small percentage will ever receive some kind of treatment for the disorder.

gcanyon 2y ago

Hear me out: what if this overlaps 80% with what "real" really is?

TaylorAlexander 2y ago
Well it doesn’t. Humans are so much more complex than what we have seen before, and if this new launch was actually that much closer to being a human they would say so. This seems more like an enhancement on multimodal capabilities and reaction time. That said even if this did overlap 80% with “real”, the question remains: what if we don’t want that?
- amelius 2y ago
  I'm betting that 80% of what most humans say in daily life is low-effort and can be generated by AI. The question is if most people really need the remaining 20% to experience a connection. I would guess: yes.
  - Capricorn2481 2y ago
    Even if this were true, which it isn't, you can't boil down humans to just what they say
  - brookst 2y ago
    This. We are mostly token predictors. We're not entirely token predictors, but it's at least 80%. Being in the AI space the past few years has really made me notice how similar we are to LLMs. I notice it so often in meetings where someone will use a somewhat uncommon word, and then other people will start to use it because it's in their context window. Or when someone asks a question like "what's the forecast for q3" and the responder almost always starts with "Thanks for asking! The forecast for q3 is...". Note that low-effort does not mean low-quality or low-value. Just that we seem to have a lot of language/interaction processes that are low-effort. And as far as dating, I am sure I've been in some relationships where they and/or I were not going beyond low-effort, rote conversation generation.

DonHopkins 2y ago

What if AI chooses the bear?

mpenick 2y ago

This is a good question! I think in the short-term fake can work for a lot of people.

__loam 2y ago

Mental health crisis waiting to happen lmao