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Thanks for taking the time to answer instead of (just) downvoting. I understand your logic but I don't see a future where people can adapt to this and get throu

by 101008 2y ago

Thanks for taking the time to answer instead of (just) downvoting. I understand your logic but I don't see a future where people can adapt to this and get through it. I honestly see a future so dark and we'll be there much sooner than we thought... when OpenAI released their first model people were talking about years before seeing real changes and look what happened. The advance is exponential...

staticman2 2y ago
>>>>> when OpenAI released their first model people were talking about years before seeing real changes and look what happened. For what it's worth most of the people in my social circle do not use ChatGPT and it's had zero impact on their life. Exponential growth from zero is zero.
- 101008 2y ago
  That's my issue. People won't use GPT - companies using it will displace people and people will be out of the grid without work...
  - staticman2 2y ago
    The future is very hard to predict and OpenAI is notoriously non-transparent. If they were stumped as to how to improve the models further, would they tell you, or would Altman say "Our next model will BLOW YOUR MIND!" Fake it till you make it style to pump up the company valuation?
galdosdi 2y ago
> I don't see a future where people can adapt to this and get through it. You lack imagination then. If you read history and anthropology more, which you haven't done enough of, clearly, then your imagination will expand and you will easily be able to imagine such a future. Why? Because you will become aware of so many other situations where it looked bleaker and plenty of groups of people got by anyway and managed to live satisfying lives as best they could. To this day there are still some hunter gatherer tribes left in the Amazon, for example, despite all the encroaching modernity. Despite anything that could happen, I can imagine being able to be resourceful and find some mediocre niche in which to survive and thrive in, away from the glare of the panopticon. Or if you want to compare to disasters, how about the black plague? Your kids will have at least as good a chances as any of those. The key is raising them with appropriate expectations -- with the expectation that they may have to figure out how to survive in a very different world, not some air conditioned convenience paradise. If they have that I really think they'll likely be fine.
- galdosdi 2y ago
  Seems I accidentally double posted. Sorry. Thanks (genuinely) to whoever kindly voted the dupe down to zero while leaving the original alone, that was a good choice. Too late to delete unfortunately.
galdosdi 2y ago
> I don't see a future where people can adapt to this and get through it. You lack imagination then. If you read history and anthropology more, which you haven't done enough of, clearly, then your imagination will expand and you will easily be able to imagine such a future. Why? Because you will become aware of so many other situations where it looked bleaker and plenty of groups of people got by anyway and managed to live satisfying lives as best they could. To this day there are still some hunter gatherer tribes left in the Amazon, for example, despite all the encroaching modernity. Despite anything that could happen, I can imagine being able to be resourceful and find some mediocre niche in which to survive and thrive in, away from the glare of the panopticon. Or as an another example, no matter how much humans dominate with their industrial civilization, cockroaches, pigeons, and rats still manage to survive in the city, despite not only not being actively supported by civilization, but actually being unwanted. Or if you want to compare to disasters, how about the black plague? Living through that would likely have been worse than most anything we complain or worry about. Your kids will have at least as good a chances as any of those. The key is raising them with appropriate expectations -- with the expectation that they may have to figure out how to survive in a very different world, not some air conditioned convenience paradise. Don't raise kids that are afraid to sleep outdoors or afraid to eat beans or cabbage. Those folks will do poorly if anything goes wrong. If they have a good resilient character, I really think they'll likely be fine. We are the descendants of survivors.
- throw310822 2y ago
  I am not aware of any example in the past were humans beings could be magicked out of nothing (and disposed of) in unlimited numbers at the snap of a finger, at practically zero cost. I don't think history gives us any comparison for what it's going to happen.
  - ecnahc515 2y ago
    Nothing about any of this is even close to zero cost.
    - throw310822 2y ago
ninininino 2y ago
> a future where people can adapt to this and get through it there are people alive today who quite literally are descendants of humans born in WW2 concentration camps. some percentage of those people are probably quite happy and glad they have been given a chance at life. of course, if their ancestors had chosen not to procreate they wouldn't be disappointed, they'd just simply never have come into existence. but it's absolutely the case that there's almost always a _chance_ at survival and future prosperity, even if things feel unimaginably bleak.

by 101008 2y ago

staticman2 2y ago

>>>>> when OpenAI released their first model people were talking about years before seeing real changes and look what happened. For what it's worth most of the people in my social circle do not use ChatGPT and it's had zero impact on their life. Exponential growth from zero is zero.

101008 2y ago
That's my issue. People won't use GPT - companies using it will displace people and people will be out of the grid without work...
- staticman2 2y ago
  The future is very hard to predict and OpenAI is notoriously non-transparent. If they were stumped as to how to improve the models further, would they tell you, or would Altman say "Our next model will BLOW YOUR MIND!" Fake it till you make it style to pump up the company valuation?

galdosdi 2y ago

galdosdi 2y ago
Seems I accidentally double posted. Sorry. Thanks (genuinely) to whoever kindly voted the dupe down to zero while leaving the original alone, that was a good choice. Too late to delete unfortunately.

galdosdi 2y ago

> I don't see a future where people can adapt to this and get through it. You lack imagination then. If you read history and anthropology more, which you haven't done enough of, clearly, then your imagination will expand and you will easily be able to imagine such a future. Why? Because you will become aware of so many other situations where it looked bleaker and plenty of groups of people got by anyway and managed to live satisfying lives as best they could. To this day there are still some hunter gatherer tribes left in the Amazon, for example, despite all the encroaching modernity. Despite anything that could happen, I can imagine being able to be resourceful and find some mediocre niche in which to survive and thrive in, away from the glare of the panopticon. Or as an another example, no matter how much humans dominate with their industrial civilization, cockroaches, pigeons, and rats still manage to survive in the city, despite not only not being actively supported by civilization, but actually being unwanted. Or if you want to compare to disasters, how about the black plague? Living through that would likely have been worse than most anything we complain or worry about. Your kids will have at least as good a chances as any of those. The key is raising them with appropriate expectations -- with the expectation that they may have to figure out how to survive in a very different world, not some air conditioned convenience paradise. Don't raise kids that are afraid to sleep outdoors or afraid to eat beans or cabbage. Those folks will do poorly if anything goes wrong. If they have a good resilient character, I really think they'll likely be fine. We are the descendants of survivors.

throw310822 2y ago
I am not aware of any example in the past were humans beings could be magicked out of nothing (and disposed of) in unlimited numbers at the snap of a finger, at practically zero cost. I don't think history gives us any comparison for what it's going to happen.
- ecnahc515 2y ago
  Nothing about any of this is even close to zero cost.
  - throw310822 2y ago

ninininino 2y ago

> a future where people can adapt to this and get through it there are people alive today who quite literally are descendants of humans born in WW2 concentration camps. some percentage of those people are probably quite happy and glad they have been given a chance at life. of course, if their ancestors had chosen not to procreate they wouldn't be disappointed, they'd just simply never have come into existence. but it's absolutely the case that there's almost always a _chance_ at survival and future prosperity, even if things feel unimaginably bleak.