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With this capability, how close are y'all to it being able to listen to my pronunciation of a new language (e.g. Italian) and given specific feedback about how
by jamestimmins 2y ago
With this capability, how close are y'all to it being able to listen to my pronunciation of a new language (e.g. Italian) and given specific feedback about how to pronounce it like a local?
Seems like these would be similar.
- estebank 2y agoIn the "Point and learn Spanish" video, when shown an Apple and a Banana, the AI said they were a Manzana (Apple) and a Pantalón (Pants).
- unsatchmo 2y agoNo, I just watched it closely and it definitely said un platano
- estebank 2y agoI re watched it a few times to ensure it said plátano before posting, and it honestly doesn't sound like it to me.
- david-gpu 2y agoI'm a Spaniard and to my ears it clearly sounds like "Es una manzana y un plátano". What's strange to me is that, as far as I know, "plátano" is only commonly used in Spain, but the accent of the AI voice didn't sound like it's from Spain. It sounds more like an American who speaks Spanish as a second language, and those folks typically speak some Mexican dialect of Spanish.
- afc 2y agoI'm from Colombia and mostly say "plátano".
- david-gpu 2y agoGood to know. I thought Colombians said "banano". That's what a Colombian friend of mine says.
- InvaderFizz 2y agoI was about to comment the same thing about the accent. Even to my gringo ears, it sounds like an American speaking Spanish. Plátano is commonly used for banana in Mexico, just bought some at a Soriana this weekend.
- david-gpu 2y agoI thought "plátano" is only used for plantains in Latin America, and Cavendish is typically called "banana" instead. I'm likely wrong, though.
- dragonwriter 2y agoAt least IME, and there may be regional or other variations I’m missing, people in México tend to use “plátano” for bananas and “plátano macho” for plantains.
- nomdep 2y agoIn Spain, it's like that. In Latin America, it was always "plátano," but in the last ten years, I've seen a new "global Latin American Spanish" emerging that uses "banana" for Cavendish, some Mexican slang, etc. I suspect it's because of YouTube and Twitch.
- david-gpu 2y agoIn Spain, plátano is used for Cavendish and plantains are rarely consumed. I am a Spaniard.
- Xirgil 2y agoInteresting, I was reading some comments from Japanese users and they said the Japanese voice sounds like a (very good N1 level) foreigner speaking Japanese.
- vitus 2y ago> "plátano" is only commonly used in Spain The wiktionary page for "plátano" has a map illustrating how various Spanish-speaking countries refer to the banana. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pl%C3%A1tano#/media/File:Porpa%C3%ADs_banana_pl%C3%A1tano.svg https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pl%C3%A1tano#/media/File:Porp... My principal association with plátano is plaintain, personally, but I am not a Spanish speaker.
- vitorgrs 2y agoplátano is used in several Spanish-speaking countries, such as Mexico and Chile.
- taytus 2y agoThe italian output in the demo was really bad.
- thegabriele 2y agoWhy would you say "really bad"?
- bzudo 2y agoIt doesn't have hands.
- rezonant 2y agoJoke of the day right there :-)
- mark38848 2y agoSo good!
- DonHopkins 2y ago"I Have No Hands But I Must Scream" -Italian Ellison
- nijuashi 2y agoThis was the best joke I’ve heard this year.
- GaggiX 2y agoI'm a native Italian speaker, it wasn't too bad.
- riquito 2y agoThe content was correct but the pronunciation was awful. Now, good enough? For sure, but I would not be able to stand something talking like that all the time
- elil17 2y agoIt completely botched teaching someone to say “hello” in Chinese - it used the wrong tones and then incorrectly told them their pronunciation was good.
- ShakataGaNai 2y ago[flagged]
- joseda-hg 2y agoAn interesting point, I tend to have better outcomes by using my heavily accented ESL English, than my native pronunciation of my mother tongue I'm guessing it's part of the tech work force being a bit more multicultural than initially thought, or it just being easier to test with It's a shame, because that means I can use stuff that I can't recommend to people around me Multilingual UX is an interesting painpoint, I had to change the language of my account to English so I could use some early Bard version, even though It was perfectly able to understand and answer in Spanish
- zenlikethat 2y agoYou also get the synchronicity / four minute mile effect egging on other people to excel with specialized models, like Falcon or Qwen did in the wake of the original ChatGPT/Llama excitement.
- greatpostman 2y ago[flagged]
- kolinko 2y agoWhat? Did it seriously work worse for women? Spurce? (accents sure)
- astrange 2y agoIn my experience, when someone says a project was programmed by "white men from the west coast", it was actually made by Chinese or Indian immigrants. (Siri's original speech recognition was a combination of Swiss-Germans and people from Boston.) And it certainly wouldn't be tested by them either way. Companies know how to hire QA contractors.
- dgroshev 2y agoI don't think that'd work without a dedicated startup behind it. The first (and imo the main) hurdle is not reproduction, but just learning to hear the correct sounds. If you don't speak Hindi and are a native English speaker, this [1] is a good example. You can only work on nailing those consonants when they become as distinct to your ear as cUp and cAp are in English. We can get by by falling back to context (it's unlikely someone would ask for a "shit of paper"!), but it's impossible to confidently reproduce the sounds unless they are already completely distinct in our heads/ears. That's because we think we hear things as they are, but it's an illusion. Cup/cap distinction is as subtle to an Eastern European as Hindi consonants or Mandarin tones are to English speakers, because the set of meaningful sounds distinctions differs between languages. Relearning the phonetic system requires dedicated work (minimal pairs is one option) and learning enough phonetics to have the vocabulary to discuss sounds as they are. It's not enough to just give feedback. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I7iUUp-cX8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I7iUUp-cX8
- dilap 2y ago> but it's impossible to confidently reproduce the sounds unless they are already completely distinct in our heads/ears interestingly, i think this isn't always true -- i was able to coach my native-spanish-speaking wife to correctly pronounce "v" vs "b" (both are just "b" in spanish, or at least her dialect) before she could hear the difference; later on she was developed the ability to hear it.
- koreth1 2y agoI had a similar experience learning Mandarin as a native English speaker in my late 30s. I learned to pronounce the ü sound (which doesn't exist in English) by getting feedback and instruction from a teacher about what mouth shape to use. And then I just memorized which words used it. It was maybe a year later before I started to be able to actually hear it as a distinct sound rather than perceiving it as some other vowel.
- patcon 2y agoAfter watching the demo, my question isn't about how close it is to helping me learn a language, but about how close it is to being me in another language. Even styles of thought might be different in other languages, so I don't say that lightly... (stay strong, Sapir-Wharf, stay strong ;)
- hack_ml 2y agoI was conversing with it in Hinglish (A combination of Hindi and English) which folks in Urban India use and it was pretty on point apart from some use of esoteric hindi words but i think with right prompting we can fix that.