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Rabbit R1 can be run on a Android device
- pmx 2y agoIt was very obvious that the original statement from Rabbit was knowingly false when they made it. It's weird to me how these companies dig themselves deeper by doing stuff like that, have they never experienced the real world before?
- jsheard 2y agoTheir last venture before the R1 was an NFT rug-pull, they're just grifters who moved onto AI after crypto burned out. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1786037498507853852.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1786037498507853852.html They're determined grifters for sure, bespoke hardware is a much bigger investment than shitting out some NFTs, but they're still probably going to run away and leave you with a useless device in a year.
- ulfw 2y agoThat goes for half the AI "startups" out there sadly. They know how to get funding and the magic two letters is how.
- jsheard 2y agoThere's ODMs selling whitelabel versions of these AI wearables now, so expect to see a lot more of this. https://heytap.tech https://heytap.tech is https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/2024-ODM-OEM-Smart-AI-microphones_1601053907429.html https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/2024-ODM-OEM-Smart-AI...
- lawlessone 2y agoSo many of them are just API calls to chatGPT.
- onlyrealcuzzo 2y agoThe reason it's not on the App Store is it would take more effort to fake the number.
- gruez 2y ago>It was very obvious that the original statement from Rabbit was knowingly false when they made it For people who haven't been following this closely, what was the statement they made?
- resoluteteeth 2y agoIt's the statement quoted as a block quote 3/4 of the way down the page on the article: > rabbit r1 is not an Android app. We are aware there are some unofficial rabbit OS app/website emulators out there. We understand the passion that people have to get a taste of our AI and LAM instead of waiting for their r1 to arrive. That being said, to clear any misunderstanding and set the record straight, rabbit OS and LAM run on the cloud with very bespoke AOSP and lower level firmware modifications, therefore a local bootleg APK without the proper OS and Cloud endpoints won’t be able to access our service. rabbit OS is customized for r1 and we do not support third-party clients. Using a bootlegged APK or webclient carries significant risks; malicious actors are known to publish bootlegged apps that steal your data. For this reason, we recommend that users avoid these bootlegged rabbit OS apps.
- mynegation 2y agoIf you read “won’t be able to access” as “forbidden by our TOS to access” that can still be true. Or - literally - at some point in the future they will introduce some preventative measures.
- notpushkin 2y agoI think they did, but those can be circumvented easily (i.e. just throw in a couple HTTP headers).
- LeifCarrotson 2y agoThey have. Unfortunately, they took the wrong lesson from the experience, they learned that you can sometimes get away with it and make a quick buck with overt lies, so they'll employ that strategy again with no regrets.
- dartos 2y agoLies make for really good marketing
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- pmx 2y agoIt's different, sure. But it's not _better_ for it. They made the UX worse to give the scroll wheel a reason to exist, that isn't what I class as innovation.
- resoluteteeth 2y ago> this article misses the point of the Rabbit R1 This article isn't a review of the Rabbit R1. It's a response to a statement Rabbit made denying the assertions in an earlier article saying that the Rabbit R1 software was just an android app. > they are being rewarded by innovators for it. I don't really understand what you mean. By "innovators" do you mean something like "early adopters"? "Innovators" generally means people who make something new so I don't see how Rabbit, as the company that has launched this product, is being "rewarded by innovators". > Stop fetishizing the tech for how they got there. How is this article "fetishizing the tech" by saying that it could have just been an android app?
- cynicalsecurity 2y agoNo one likes lies. Lies is always a PR disaster. It's amazing how stubborn companies can be when trying to defy this basic social law.
- theFco 2y agoNow the question is: would you want to?
- iancmceachern 2y agoTotally, it's not even a good app
- wafriedemann 2y agoThe Rabbit is a bad version of the Google app in a plastic case.
- JimDabell 2y agoThis has smelt bad for a while. Here’s a Twitter thread from January where the CEO explained why it couldn’t be an app. In it, he makes weird claims like: > by submitting as app, you submitting all your codes to them. think about it. remember there’s one of the most popular apps you want early days on app store was called ‘flashlight’ now see what happens? apple just incorporated that feature in iOS. so are building apps sustainable to a startup? maybe not. — https://twitter.com/jessechenglyu/status/1745555882291646689 https://twitter.com/jessechenglyu/status/1745555882291646689 I think it’s pretty clear that Apple didn’t need to plagiarise some dude’s flashlight app code to build their own version, and you don’t submit your code to Apple/Google anyway.
- woleium 2y agoBut you do have to submit your signing keys to apple now, iirc :(
- dagmx 2y agoYou’re thinking of the Google Play Store. https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/9842756?hl=en https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answ...
- bryancoxwell 2y agoLove the idea that it was the submission of the flashlight app’s source that enabled Apple to build that feature into the OS. Also love that it completely ignores that the flashlight being part of the OS is significantly better UX than installing an app to do the same thing.
- redwall_hp 2y agoPluralizing code or code as a verb is always a red flag.
- infinitezest 2y agoSeems more likely that its an artifact of being the guy's second language.
- mg 2y agoWould it be possible to base a device like the R1 on a Raspberry Pi and Linux instead of Android? If not, what would be missing?
- exitb 2y agoMobile devs are easier to hire.
- mid-kid 2y agoThis is the real reason
- NayamAmarshe 2y agoIt wouldn't be too hard. You could even build an electron app to save time and money. The effort would be in making sure that the boot animation appears properly without any debugging text and that the electron app is the first thing that the user sees.
- afavour 2y agoI imagine you’d spend a lot of time replicating stuff Android already does well. Like battery management, cell connection, mobile UI, touch event handling, so on and so forth. I’d almost be inclined to counter with the opposite: what would be gained by going for just Linux over tailoring Android?
- djhworld 2y agoOne thing I've been wondering about is, could you build an Android app that acts like google assistant in the sense of you pressing a button/swiping gesture whatever and the "assistant" kicks in from any context on the phone (e.g. while you have another app open) I'm pretty sure you cannot replace Siri on iOS devices, but I'm not sure about Android. I know there is stuff like Samsung Bixby but I've not used it before. I guess what I'm saying is, the plastic device seems like kind of a way of making the assistant accessible all the time without you having to open an app (as the app is always 'open' and that's the only app you can use) - but maybe that's possible on Android already idk
- Nullabillity 2y ago> One thing I've been wondering about is, could you build an Android app that acts like google assistant in the sense of you pressing a button/swiping gesture whatever and the "assistant" kicks in from any context on the phone (e.g. while you have another app open) There is literally an API specifically for this, and the settings app has... an option for choosing which assistant should be invoked when you use the assistant gestures.
- throwaway11460 2y agoYep, but no way to replace the voice activated assistant. Hotword activation requires system permissions. And if you want to do things like allow the assistant to see what's inside other apps, again not possible without system permissions.
- dmitrygr 2y agoBack in the day, you could (ab)use the accessibility api for screen reading. That’s still works, but now there is a proper “read screen contents” permission that the Google Lens app uses and any other app can request
- mattkenefick 2y agoNot surprising since it's just an Android app
- beefnugs 2y agoSo far thats all it is. But the idea was that they want people to train their "generic app understand and operate" ai, which means they need powers above standard android (super insecure, but they really can not do it as standard android app)
- Traubenfuchs 2y agoAll this AI slop will be integrated in iOS and Android soon enough, probably with first class integration. There is only a short, and closing, window of opportunity to grift some money with half baked solutions like this.
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- abrichr 2y agoIf anyone is interested in running "teach mode" directly on their desktop, we're building this over at https://github.com/OpenAdaptAI/OpenAdapt https://github.com/OpenAdaptAI/OpenAdapt.
- mid-kid 2y agoI'm not sure how this is any better/worse than if it actually were a custom OS or whatever. There is no technical reason for this to be a standalone device, just a marketing/corporate one. People are easily tricked by a physical object into thinking it will bring more value than it does, instead of being yet another brightly colored square in the sea of apps. Additionally, this allows them to control their ecosystem outside of the grasp of apple/google (even if it's based on android, they can modify the OS to do whatever and aren't bound by app/play store rules). Anything else they say has always been a front to gain sympathy.
- tech-historian 2y agoHow much influence did Teenage Engineering have on this product? Did TE just design the physical aspects only?
- llmblockchain 2y agoThe Rabbit R1 is a Juicero remix.
- karmajunkie 2y agoas someone who bought one of these on a whim in the wee hours of the morning, has anyone managed to jailbreak the hardware for any productive purpose yet? seems like an interesting little device even if the rabbit folks are less than forthcoming about the nature of it.
- frou_dh 2y agoI thought the gimmick with this would be that it was the prominent rabbit character talking, but it just sounds like a generic female voice assistant.
- sleepybrett 2y agoprobably worth picking one up when they hit ebay for 20 bucks a pop just for the teenage engineering case design.