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Vanguard just went live and LoL players are claiming it's bricking their PCs

51 points by luu 2y ago

shmerl 2y ago
What else would you expect from anti-user malware. Players run such garbage at their own risk.
- NoPicklez 2y ago
  I disagree. Players just want to play their favourite games. The problem is that LoL didn't have this software before and now they do, so for players who may not have experienced problems they might be now. eSports has grown enormously around the world, with sponsorship and real money on the table. Unfortunately, that has pushed cheating to a whole new level where people will develop and run very sophisticated cheat software. Anti-cheat software therefore needs to see where the anti-cheat software runs and lives, which unfortunately means that anti-cheat software is now running to run at very low levels in the system and has the ability to play havoc if there are bugs. I genuinely believe that developers aren't developing this software to be nefarious but to provide the best experience for players. Anti-cheat software has been around for a long time and its not the first time its blocked other applications from running.
  - heyoni 2y ago
    What kind of cheats does this game have?
    - xyst 2y ago
      Probably eliminate fog of war.
      - Nouser76 2y ago
        Unless they've moved backwards, that hasn't been doable for a very long time. The client in the past didn't have the information sent to it about things in fog of war. The closest was seeing a skill shot come across your screen and cheats gave an approximate location of where it was launched in fog of war.
        daedrdev 2y ago
        Generally 3rd person shooters like CSGO and Valorant have this same issue, so its probably more complex than you think. Also, another kind of cheat is to display expanding areas on where an enemy could possibly be based on the last seen position.
    - Nouser76 2y ago
      I haven't kept up on the current state of cheats, but 10 years ago there were cheats that would automatically last hit minions (necessary to gain gold), automatically path towards your cursor while aiming and targeting your skills, move you out of the way of incoming abilities, all with inhuman reaction times. There was a motto through the LoL cheating community of "Spacebar to Win", where spacebar was the keybind for unloading all your abilities and trying to kill the opponent. A player with good game knowledge and game sense would be easily able to climb to Challenger (the highest rank bracket). There was a bot that played as a support champion and with a basic decision tree it reached Silver 2. Someone wrote a neural net algorithm for it instead and it reached Gold 4.
  - pennybanks 2y ago
    sucks for linux users though
    - ParetoOptimal 2y ago
      Easy anti-cheat works on Linux and isn't kernel level on Linux.
xeonmc 2y ago
What's the point of a rootkit anticheat for a game which: 1. does not do clientside prediction, instead relies on full server-roundtrip for visual confirmation of your own actions (and therefore cannot "wallhack"/maphack enemy positions) 2. where machine-assisted actions cannot provide mechanical advantage beyond what is already regularly achievable by a normal human (at most only providing improvement in executional repeatability/consistency) 3. where execution depends predominantly on seat-of-the-pants split-second decision-making from high-level experience, as opposed to unambiguously "correct" responses that can be short-circuted without player intervention? (League runs with a 30Hz tickrate, all actions and movements are first-order continuous, and visible state is fully serverside-obfuscated)
- savanaly 2y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_jTn2-AA-Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_jTn2-AA-Q
  - xeonmc 2y ago
    I have watched this video before among others; your point being what? I see nothing in the video that refutes any of points 1, 2, and 3. If anything, my point 1 was even further reinforced by what is shown by your video. Would you mind pointing out which of them is in any way countered by any instant in this video?
  - Cyph0n 2y ago
    Can you or someone else explain what “scripting” means here? What is the cheat helping with?
    - xeonmc 2y ago
      Scripting means performing machine-assisted action sequences. The video linked showed various informational overlays based on events that the player client was permitted to observe, such as enemy players using their utilities while in visible range or farming neutral monsters (event of which is always globally broadcast since the jungle timer rework a few years ago). It overlays a timer on the minimap for when neutral monsters will respawn, timers for when enemy utilities are predicted to complete their cooldown (only if they were used while in the client's visible range), the last-seen position of enemies if they disappeared into the fog of war, the trajectories of prospective enemy attacks & your own range which any slightly proficient players would be well-acquainted with.
earslap 2y ago
I can't believe people are willingly installing rootkits of dubious origin on their computers to play games (and paying for the privilege). I know cheating is an issue, but still.
- NoPicklez 2y ago
  I wouldn't say these anti-cheat tools that come with Valorant or LoL are from dubious origins. eSports has grown, real money is on the table and cheating is rampant in many games and it's not always obvious cheating, it's often slight improvements. People complain, but there are a ton of games that use a kernel based anti cheat system that people haven't been flapping their arms around. Valve anti-cheat, EasyCheat etc. Edit: Valve isn't kernel based, my mistake
  - esdf 2y ago
    I've never heard of a kernel-based anti-cheat from Valve. Can you provide a source for that
  - devrand 2y ago
    This is get first that I’m hearing that VAC is kernel level. Do you have a source for that?
  - dkarras 2y ago
    >I wouldn't say these anti-cheat tools that come with Valorant or LoL are from dubious origins. You are talking about Vanguard, developed by Riot which is owned by Tencent which is a Chinese company? China has demonstrated enough grip on companies over the years that anything China can directly influence is dubious. China can decide to do something with the installations and has the power to do it in secret. It is significantly harder in western democracies. The relationship between the state and the private enterprises is entirely different. Valve's VAC is not in the same league with Vanguard from a technical point of view (it is not even kernel based if I'm not mistaken). I would not let that slide either if it was though.
    - 2y ago
pennybanks 2y ago
im sure its because riot and moderators are cleaning up any mentions of vangaurd in a negative light. but im sure its also because people just really dont care but the amount a push back, complaining, whining etc about vangaurd from the lol community is interesting in how quite its been. just because that community are master complainers and do it almost as sport. limit testing on how insignificant something can be and have the whole community up and arms. especially about skins or balance.
xyst 2y ago
Anticheat software will always get beaten, eventually. It’s a game of cat and mouse. Anti cheat should just go away completely. High stakes tournaments never held over the network. Always have a physical presence. The likelihood of a cheater being able to cheat in LAN play is very very low. You have it streamed live and referees looking over your shoulder at all times. PCs often not owned by teams. For online play, rely on community reports and moderation.
- aldarisbm 2y ago
  I own a steamdeck, and have been playing BlackOps III (with no anticheat) It's a total mess. Even with a handful of players actively playing, I almost always find a cheater. I get that anticheats are not "convenient" but to say that we should get rid of them, it's a bit naive.
  - jwells89 2y ago
    Yep, cheating is absolutely rampant in any game where the anticheat is ineffective or nonexistent to the point that it’s barely worth playing games like that in online mode. It’s very frustrating, because I don’t like the idea of rootkit-like anticheat either, but if reports and moderation were the only way to keep cheating at bay, the companies building the games in question would need to keep a team employed full-time to exclusively investigate reports and dole out bans. Even then, this team probably wouldn’t be able to move quickly enough to deal with them all in a timely manner, leaving the problem still somewhat unfixed. Perhaps the only real solution is for competitive games go current-gen-console-only, where end to end control is a given and invasive anticheat is kept separate from our computers.
  - whythre 2y ago
    Back when I played TF2 circa 2010 I helped friends run our own servers and we would just manually ban the cheaters. If they came back me or someone else would ban them again until they got pissy and moved on to greener pastures. It worked back then, anyway.
    - 2y ago
willcipriano 2y ago
I have a simple non invasive anti cheat that would prevent the worst stuff. Simulate the game world, I know expensive, scale it down and simulate it. Gun can fire six rounds and has a 2 second reload? How did thay guy fire 30 rounds in the last 4 seconds? How did that guy travel 2000 meters while floating 100 feet in the air, level over the terrain? No gpu, could do it with data models and statistics. Simple stuff. Honestly you don't even need your own servers, have clients report impossible behavior they observe.
- 7355608 2y ago
  Very little of what you are describing is a relevant problem in competitive online games. It's all about cheats that make it appear that someone is simply a very skilled player. High level cheating involves minimally noticeable aimbots or wallhacks of some kind (for a MOBA this would be fog removal). Being able to see enemy cooldowns, scripting combos. What you're describing would do nothing for the vast majority of online cheating.
  - willcipriano 2y ago
    High level cheating isn't a problem, I mean maybe it is at a high level but for general consumer seeing a character zipping around in the air and then blasting them with a shotgun from across the map is what makes them feel like crap. A player who just looks like a good player doesn't destroy the experience, you just lose to what seems to be a better player. Most game devs seem to agree with you. It's not like my idea is revolutionary, but you can go far beyond the physics/rules in most multiplayer games I've played.
mlhpdx 2y ago
Cheaters are just a part of the game IMHO. Back when I played CS with a competitive bent it was fun to play against and beat honest cheaters. Skill building, as it were. Those I despised and wished a special place in hell with mint flavored turds to smoke, were the lying cheaters.
pennybanks 2y ago
lol players never complain about cheaters and they complain about everything. like every little thing. they complain a lot about smurfs though. actually they do complain about some botting which iv seen as well. not sure if bot or human bot but they are there at the lowest levels trying to speed level to 30 and sell accounts. but i mean everyone at that level are people starting a new alt account and just play/afk fun modes til level 30
daedrdev 2y ago
Vanguard has been out for Valorant for a while, and it appears to be the same system for Lol. Im not saying that these complaints are a few rare examples by haters, except that is what I am saying, and I do think its much better than this article implies. RIOT said 0.03% of players eeported and issue, the majority of which are probably the incredibly common case of Vanguard requiring TMP 2.0 on Windows 11, which doesn’t brick ones PC Im sympathetic to the security issues, but the outright blue-screening in this article are probably not issues.
noisy_boy 2y ago
Seems like the issue is that anticheat strategies are not part of the game core but being added as a tack-on. If the games engine itself is safegaurding/disallowing things breaking laws of physics/human limits, then most of the non-sense would evaporate. Not knowledgeable enough about game dev to know why this is already not being done.
- NoPicklez 2y ago
  This isn't black or white. There is absolutely a level of engineering in the core game around anti cheating strategies as a base. Cheats that break laws of physics, human limits are not really always the cheats being used, those are the obvious ones we think about that would be picked up almost immediately. The anticheat is an addon such that it can be frequently updated without having to update the core of the game as cheat strategies change. Cheats being used today outside of the 'breaking human limits' type cheats, are the ones that give players slight advantages that you wouldn't obviously notice. These types of cheats have signatures in how they work and anticheat detects these signatures that occur both through gameplay, but also the signatures it leaves on your system itself. The detection of human limits and breaking laws of physics cheats are the cheats of yesterday
daedrdev 2y ago
Cheating in Lol is rampant enough that the most popular cheating champions (that are easier to cheat with) have had large win rate drops since Vanguard was required, which is quite impressive in a 5v5 game.
FreakLegion 2y ago
Take these reports with a mountain of salt. Riot monitors online cheater communities[1] and has no shortage of player activity data. Right now: 1. There's definitely an ongoing, coordinated disinformation effort from cheaters. Some media and real users with poor information hygiene are magnifying it, which is of course the cheaters' goal. 2. Riot's activity metrics are normal, meaning there's no statistically detectable technical issue keeping players out of the game. The actual players are going about their business as usual. 1. See e.g. https://twitter.com/itsgamerdoc/status/1786113515670962505 https://twitter.com/itsgamerdoc/status/1786113515670962505
- Pulz 2y ago
  Whilst I'm sure that this is happening to an extent, what are your thoughts on well known figures within the scene saying they are having issues?
  - FreakLegion 2y ago
    On any given day there will be, at Riot's scale, thousands of people experiencing technical issues. The one well-known person mentioned in the article matches Riot's explanation at https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1civ4l7/update_from_riot_on_vanguard/ https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1civ4l7/up..., where the issues are self-inflicted by people trying to modify their systems to meet Vanguard's requirements. Vanguard itself isn't the problem. > About ~0.7% of the playerbase bypassed Microsoft’s enforcement for TPM 2.0 when they installed Windows 11, but the rollout of Vanguard requires that those players now enable it to play the game. This requires a change to a BIOS setting, which differs based on the manufacturer. Vanguard does not and cannot make changes to the BIOS itself. BIOS settings can be confusing, and we’ve seen two niche cases where it’s created an issue. The first is that many manufacturers prompt a switch to UEFI mode when TPM 2.0 is enabled, but if the existing Windows 11 installation is on an MBR partition, it would become unbootable afterwards. Some OEMs support LegacyBoot mode with TPM 2.0, but to support UEFI mode, Windows 11 must be installed on a GPT partition. Microsoft has a tool that can help avoid a reformat and reinstall if you’re in this scenario. The second was a player we spoke to that accidentally also enabled SecureBoot with a highly custom configuration. While Vanguard makes use of the SecureBoot setting on VALORANT, we elected not to use it for League, due to the older hardware that comprises its userbase. Older rigs can have compatibility issues with this setting, and that’s actually one of the primary reasons the Vanguard launch was delayed. For example, some GPUs are known to have Option ROM that is not UEFI SecureBoot capable (especially older cards), and sometimes this can result from players having flashed it themselves to “unlock” the card. If the Option ROM isn’t signed, enabling SecureBoot would prevent your GPU from rendering anything (since it won’t boot), resulting in a black screen. There would be two ways to fix this: Connect the monitor to an integrated graphics card (if you have one) and then disable SecureBoot in BIOS. Remove your CMOS battery to reset back to default settings. Vanguard's kernel code never even runs in these scenarios.
raspyberr 2y ago
I stopped and uninstalled. It is very simply an overreach just to play a game.

51 points by luu 2y ago

shmerl 2y ago

What else would you expect from anti-user malware. Players run such garbage at their own risk.

NoPicklez 2y ago
I disagree. Players just want to play their favourite games. The problem is that LoL didn't have this software before and now they do, so for players who may not have experienced problems they might be now. eSports has grown enormously around the world, with sponsorship and real money on the table. Unfortunately, that has pushed cheating to a whole new level where people will develop and run very sophisticated cheat software. Anti-cheat software therefore needs to see where the anti-cheat software runs and lives, which unfortunately means that anti-cheat software is now running to run at very low levels in the system and has the ability to play havoc if there are bugs. I genuinely believe that developers aren't developing this software to be nefarious but to provide the best experience for players. Anti-cheat software has been around for a long time and its not the first time its blocked other applications from running.
- heyoni 2y ago
  What kind of cheats does this game have?
  - xyst 2y ago
    Probably eliminate fog of war.
    - Nouser76 2y ago
      Unless they've moved backwards, that hasn't been doable for a very long time. The client in the past didn't have the information sent to it about things in fog of war. The closest was seeing a skill shot come across your screen and cheats gave an approximate location of where it was launched in fog of war.
      - daedrdev 2y ago
        Generally 3rd person shooters like CSGO and Valorant have this same issue, so its probably more complex than you think. Also, another kind of cheat is to display expanding areas on where an enemy could possibly be based on the last seen position.
  - Nouser76 2y ago
    I haven't kept up on the current state of cheats, but 10 years ago there were cheats that would automatically last hit minions (necessary to gain gold), automatically path towards your cursor while aiming and targeting your skills, move you out of the way of incoming abilities, all with inhuman reaction times. There was a motto through the LoL cheating community of "Spacebar to Win", where spacebar was the keybind for unloading all your abilities and trying to kill the opponent. A player with good game knowledge and game sense would be easily able to climb to Challenger (the highest rank bracket). There was a bot that played as a support champion and with a basic decision tree it reached Silver 2. Someone wrote a neural net algorithm for it instead and it reached Gold 4.
- pennybanks 2y ago
  sucks for linux users though
  - ParetoOptimal 2y ago
    Easy anti-cheat works on Linux and isn't kernel level on Linux.

xeonmc 2y ago

What's the point of a rootkit anticheat for a game which: 1. does not do clientside prediction, instead relies on full server-roundtrip for visual confirmation of your own actions (and therefore cannot "wallhack"/maphack enemy positions) 2. where machine-assisted actions cannot provide mechanical advantage beyond what is already regularly achievable by a normal human (at most only providing improvement in executional repeatability/consistency) 3. where execution depends predominantly on seat-of-the-pants split-second decision-making from high-level experience, as opposed to unambiguously "correct" responses that can be short-circuted without player intervention? (League runs with a 30Hz tickrate, all actions and movements are first-order continuous, and visible state is fully serverside-obfuscated)

savanaly 2y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_jTn2-AA-Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_jTn2-AA-Q
- xeonmc 2y ago
  I have watched this video before among others; your point being what? I see nothing in the video that refutes any of points 1, 2, and 3. If anything, my point 1 was even further reinforced by what is shown by your video. Would you mind pointing out which of them is in any way countered by any instant in this video?
- Cyph0n 2y ago
  Can you or someone else explain what “scripting” means here? What is the cheat helping with?
  - xeonmc 2y ago
    Scripting means performing machine-assisted action sequences. The video linked showed various informational overlays based on events that the player client was permitted to observe, such as enemy players using their utilities while in visible range or farming neutral monsters (event of which is always globally broadcast since the jungle timer rework a few years ago). It overlays a timer on the minimap for when neutral monsters will respawn, timers for when enemy utilities are predicted to complete their cooldown (only if they were used while in the client's visible range), the last-seen position of enemies if they disappeared into the fog of war, the trajectories of prospective enemy attacks & your own range which any slightly proficient players would be well-acquainted with.

earslap 2y ago

I can't believe people are willingly installing rootkits of dubious origin on their computers to play games (and paying for the privilege). I know cheating is an issue, but still.

NoPicklez 2y ago
I wouldn't say these anti-cheat tools that come with Valorant or LoL are from dubious origins. eSports has grown, real money is on the table and cheating is rampant in many games and it's not always obvious cheating, it's often slight improvements. People complain, but there are a ton of games that use a kernel based anti cheat system that people haven't been flapping their arms around. Valve anti-cheat, EasyCheat etc. Edit: Valve isn't kernel based, my mistake
- esdf 2y ago
  I've never heard of a kernel-based anti-cheat from Valve. Can you provide a source for that
- devrand 2y ago
  This is get first that I’m hearing that VAC is kernel level. Do you have a source for that?
- dkarras 2y ago
  >I wouldn't say these anti-cheat tools that come with Valorant or LoL are from dubious origins. You are talking about Vanguard, developed by Riot which is owned by Tencent which is a Chinese company? China has demonstrated enough grip on companies over the years that anything China can directly influence is dubious. China can decide to do something with the installations and has the power to do it in secret. It is significantly harder in western democracies. The relationship between the state and the private enterprises is entirely different. Valve's VAC is not in the same league with Vanguard from a technical point of view (it is not even kernel based if I'm not mistaken). I would not let that slide either if it was though.
  - 2y ago

pennybanks 2y ago

im sure its because riot and moderators are cleaning up any mentions of vangaurd in a negative light. but im sure its also because people just really dont care but the amount a push back, complaining, whining etc about vangaurd from the lol community is interesting in how quite its been. just because that community are master complainers and do it almost as sport. limit testing on how insignificant something can be and have the whole community up and arms. especially about skins or balance.

xyst 2y ago

Anticheat software will always get beaten, eventually. It’s a game of cat and mouse. Anti cheat should just go away completely. High stakes tournaments never held over the network. Always have a physical presence. The likelihood of a cheater being able to cheat in LAN play is very very low. You have it streamed live and referees looking over your shoulder at all times. PCs often not owned by teams. For online play, rely on community reports and moderation.

aldarisbm 2y ago
I own a steamdeck, and have been playing BlackOps III (with no anticheat) It's a total mess. Even with a handful of players actively playing, I almost always find a cheater. I get that anticheats are not "convenient" but to say that we should get rid of them, it's a bit naive.
- jwells89 2y ago
  Yep, cheating is absolutely rampant in any game where the anticheat is ineffective or nonexistent to the point that it’s barely worth playing games like that in online mode. It’s very frustrating, because I don’t like the idea of rootkit-like anticheat either, but if reports and moderation were the only way to keep cheating at bay, the companies building the games in question would need to keep a team employed full-time to exclusively investigate reports and dole out bans. Even then, this team probably wouldn’t be able to move quickly enough to deal with them all in a timely manner, leaving the problem still somewhat unfixed. Perhaps the only real solution is for competitive games go current-gen-console-only, where end to end control is a given and invasive anticheat is kept separate from our computers.
- whythre 2y ago
  Back when I played TF2 circa 2010 I helped friends run our own servers and we would just manually ban the cheaters. If they came back me or someone else would ban them again until they got pissy and moved on to greener pastures. It worked back then, anyway.
  - 2y ago

willcipriano 2y ago

I have a simple non invasive anti cheat that would prevent the worst stuff. Simulate the game world, I know expensive, scale it down and simulate it. Gun can fire six rounds and has a 2 second reload? How did thay guy fire 30 rounds in the last 4 seconds? How did that guy travel 2000 meters while floating 100 feet in the air, level over the terrain? No gpu, could do it with data models and statistics. Simple stuff. Honestly you don't even need your own servers, have clients report impossible behavior they observe.

7355608 2y ago
Very little of what you are describing is a relevant problem in competitive online games. It's all about cheats that make it appear that someone is simply a very skilled player. High level cheating involves minimally noticeable aimbots or wallhacks of some kind (for a MOBA this would be fog removal). Being able to see enemy cooldowns, scripting combos. What you're describing would do nothing for the vast majority of online cheating.
- willcipriano 2y ago
  High level cheating isn't a problem, I mean maybe it is at a high level but for general consumer seeing a character zipping around in the air and then blasting them with a shotgun from across the map is what makes them feel like crap. A player who just looks like a good player doesn't destroy the experience, you just lose to what seems to be a better player. Most game devs seem to agree with you. It's not like my idea is revolutionary, but you can go far beyond the physics/rules in most multiplayer games I've played.

mlhpdx 2y ago

Cheaters are just a part of the game IMHO. Back when I played CS with a competitive bent it was fun to play against and beat honest cheaters. Skill building, as it were. Those I despised and wished a special place in hell with mint flavored turds to smoke, were the lying cheaters.

pennybanks 2y ago

lol players never complain about cheaters and they complain about everything. like every little thing. they complain a lot about smurfs though. actually they do complain about some botting which iv seen as well. not sure if bot or human bot but they are there at the lowest levels trying to speed level to 30 and sell accounts. but i mean everyone at that level are people starting a new alt account and just play/afk fun modes til level 30

daedrdev 2y ago

Vanguard has been out for Valorant for a while, and it appears to be the same system for Lol. Im not saying that these complaints are a few rare examples by haters, except that is what I am saying, and I do think its much better than this article implies. RIOT said 0.03% of players eeported and issue, the majority of which are probably the incredibly common case of Vanguard requiring TMP 2.0 on Windows 11, which doesn’t brick ones PC Im sympathetic to the security issues, but the outright blue-screening in this article are probably not issues.

noisy_boy 2y ago

Seems like the issue is that anticheat strategies are not part of the game core but being added as a tack-on. If the games engine itself is safegaurding/disallowing things breaking laws of physics/human limits, then most of the non-sense would evaporate. Not knowledgeable enough about game dev to know why this is already not being done.

NoPicklez 2y ago
This isn't black or white. There is absolutely a level of engineering in the core game around anti cheating strategies as a base. Cheats that break laws of physics, human limits are not really always the cheats being used, those are the obvious ones we think about that would be picked up almost immediately. The anticheat is an addon such that it can be frequently updated without having to update the core of the game as cheat strategies change. Cheats being used today outside of the 'breaking human limits' type cheats, are the ones that give players slight advantages that you wouldn't obviously notice. These types of cheats have signatures in how they work and anticheat detects these signatures that occur both through gameplay, but also the signatures it leaves on your system itself. The detection of human limits and breaking laws of physics cheats are the cheats of yesterday

daedrdev 2y ago

Cheating in Lol is rampant enough that the most popular cheating champions (that are easier to cheat with) have had large win rate drops since Vanguard was required, which is quite impressive in a 5v5 game.

FreakLegion 2y ago

Take these reports with a mountain of salt. Riot monitors online cheater communities[1] and has no shortage of player activity data. Right now: 1. There's definitely an ongoing, coordinated disinformation effort from cheaters. Some media and real users with poor information hygiene are magnifying it, which is of course the cheaters' goal. 2. Riot's activity metrics are normal, meaning there's no statistically detectable technical issue keeping players out of the game. The actual players are going about their business as usual. 1. See e.g. https://twitter.com/itsgamerdoc/status/1786113515670962505 https://twitter.com/itsgamerdoc/status/1786113515670962505

Pulz 2y ago
Whilst I'm sure that this is happening to an extent, what are your thoughts on well known figures within the scene saying they are having issues?
- FreakLegion 2y ago
  On any given day there will be, at Riot's scale, thousands of people experiencing technical issues. The one well-known person mentioned in the article matches Riot's explanation at https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1civ4l7/update_from_riot_on_vanguard/ https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1civ4l7/up..., where the issues are self-inflicted by people trying to modify their systems to meet Vanguard's requirements. Vanguard itself isn't the problem. > About ~0.7% of the playerbase bypassed Microsoft’s enforcement for TPM 2.0 when they installed Windows 11, but the rollout of Vanguard requires that those players now enable it to play the game. This requires a change to a BIOS setting, which differs based on the manufacturer. Vanguard does not and cannot make changes to the BIOS itself. BIOS settings can be confusing, and we’ve seen two niche cases where it’s created an issue. The first is that many manufacturers prompt a switch to UEFI mode when TPM 2.0 is enabled, but if the existing Windows 11 installation is on an MBR partition, it would become unbootable afterwards. Some OEMs support LegacyBoot mode with TPM 2.0, but to support UEFI mode, Windows 11 must be installed on a GPT partition. Microsoft has a tool that can help avoid a reformat and reinstall if you’re in this scenario. The second was a player we spoke to that accidentally also enabled SecureBoot with a highly custom configuration. While Vanguard makes use of the SecureBoot setting on VALORANT, we elected not to use it for League, due to the older hardware that comprises its userbase. Older rigs can have compatibility issues with this setting, and that’s actually one of the primary reasons the Vanguard launch was delayed. For example, some GPUs are known to have Option ROM that is not UEFI SecureBoot capable (especially older cards), and sometimes this can result from players having flashed it themselves to “unlock” the card. If the Option ROM isn’t signed, enabling SecureBoot would prevent your GPU from rendering anything (since it won’t boot), resulting in a black screen. There would be two ways to fix this: Connect the monitor to an integrated graphics card (if you have one) and then disable SecureBoot in BIOS. Remove your CMOS battery to reset back to default settings. Vanguard's kernel code never even runs in these scenarios.

raspyberr 2y ago

I stopped and uninstalled. It is very simply an overreach just to play a game.