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TL;DR: Rossmann's team is developing Grayjay, a 3rd party YouTube (and other sites) client. Like Vanced. This makes YouTube unhappy, because they don't want 3rd

TL;DR: Rossmann's team is developing Grayjay, a 3rd party YouTube (and other sites) client. Like Vanced. This makes YouTube unhappy, because they don't want 3rd party players which often do things like disable ads and telemetry.

ilaksh 3y ago
https://grayjay.app/ https://grayjay.app/ The name of the organization is FUTO. It's not just Rossman, it's also the rich guy that came up with the concept and hired Rossman and other people who are building multiple FUTOish software programs. https://futo.org/ https://futo.org/
- Manuel_D 3y ago
  As per your link it also allows downloading videos to watch offline, which almost certainly disabled ads.
- Fnoord 3y ago
  Oh, cool. I didn't know Rossmann was related to Futo. I know Futo from [1]: 'The Voice Input app for Android that respects your privacy.' and I did not know Futo was more than 'Voice Input'. As for Grayjay. Yeah, this is exactly what we need: an application which allows us to watch video (offline) without being tied to a platform. We have a name for that: it is called a web browser. In a web browser, we use standards such as HTML and CSS. The user decides how a website looks, not the website (those are merely suggestions, the user is the one who in the end decides if they want to follow these). Something like Grayjay is following the spirit of the WWW. [1] https://voiceinput.futo.org/ https://voiceinput.futo.org/
- codethief 3y ago
  Where can I find more information about who is behind FUTO?
  - fabrice_d 3y ago
    Lookup Eron Wolf
    - codethief 3y ago
      Thanks!
hwbunny 3y ago
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- dang 3y ago
  You can't post like this here, regardless of how you feel about someone or who they are. We have to ban accounts that do, so please don't. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
  - Paul-Craft 3y ago
    You "have to ban" people who express an opinion? I've seen people say far worse on here.
    - dang 3y ago
      If you see a post that ought to have been moderated but hasn't been, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it. We don't come close to reading everything on HN; there's far too much. You can help by flagging it or emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=likeliest%20explanation%20by%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
      - Paul-Craft 3y ago
        I'm saying I don't think this comment you've flagged yourself "ought to have been moderated." Louis Rothman is a public figure. There doesn't seem to be any rule against attacking public figures ... or is there? If so, when and how does it kick in? Also, just call them "rules." Calling them "guidelines" implies they can be broken occasionally if there's a good reason. It's misleading.
        dang 3y ago
        The GP comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40242447 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40242447) was flagged by users—lots of them, and rightly. It's a clear example of what we don't want on this site: personal attack, name-calling and snark, with zero interesting information. It doesn't matter whether the target is a public figure, because the issue is the poor quality of the comment itself. You're right that they're "guidelines" not "rules" because there's a certain amount of slack. But in the current case, the comment went way beyond the slack.
takeda 3y ago
Their app is more comparable to NewPipe, they both were written from scratch. Vanced is a hacked original YouTube app and made to be more user friendly.
- Manuel_D 3y ago
  The end result is largely the same: a 3rd party YouTube client that doesn't play ads.
  - takeda 3y ago
    For the user, yes, the experience is largely the same, Vanced also has nearly the same UI, but YouTube/Vanced is very likely using a proprietary API, which makes it much easier to argue that TOS was violated, and that's what we are discussing in this thread.
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ilaksh 3y ago

https://grayjay.app/ https://grayjay.app/ The name of the organization is FUTO. It's not just Rossman, it's also the rich guy that came up with the concept and hired Rossman and other people who are building multiple FUTOish software programs. https://futo.org/ https://futo.org/

Manuel_D 3y ago
As per your link it also allows downloading videos to watch offline, which almost certainly disabled ads.
Fnoord 3y ago
Oh, cool. I didn't know Rossmann was related to Futo. I know Futo from [1]: 'The Voice Input app for Android that respects your privacy.' and I did not know Futo was more than 'Voice Input'. As for Grayjay. Yeah, this is exactly what we need: an application which allows us to watch video (offline) without being tied to a platform. We have a name for that: it is called a web browser. In a web browser, we use standards such as HTML and CSS. The user decides how a website looks, not the website (those are merely suggestions, the user is the one who in the end decides if they want to follow these). Something like Grayjay is following the spirit of the WWW. [1] https://voiceinput.futo.org/ https://voiceinput.futo.org/
codethief 3y ago
Where can I find more information about who is behind FUTO?
- fabrice_d 3y ago
  Lookup Eron Wolf
  - codethief 3y ago
    Thanks!

hwbunny 3y ago

[flagged]

dang 3y ago
You can't post like this here, regardless of how you feel about someone or who they are. We have to ban accounts that do, so please don't. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- Paul-Craft 3y ago
  You "have to ban" people who express an opinion? I've seen people say far worse on here.
  - dang 3y ago
    If you see a post that ought to have been moderated but hasn't been, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it. We don't come close to reading everything on HN; there's far too much. You can help by flagging it or emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=likeliest%20explanation%20by%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
    - Paul-Craft 3y ago
      I'm saying I don't think this comment you've flagged yourself "ought to have been moderated." Louis Rothman is a public figure. There doesn't seem to be any rule against attacking public figures ... or is there? If so, when and how does it kick in? Also, just call them "rules." Calling them "guidelines" implies they can be broken occasionally if there's a good reason. It's misleading.
      - dang 3y ago
        The GP comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40242447 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40242447) was flagged by users—lots of them, and rightly. It's a clear example of what we don't want on this site: personal attack, name-calling and snark, with zero interesting information. It doesn't matter whether the target is a public figure, because the issue is the poor quality of the comment itself. You're right that they're "guidelines" not "rules" because there's a certain amount of slack. But in the current case, the comment went way beyond the slack.

takeda 3y ago

Their app is more comparable to NewPipe, they both were written from scratch. Vanced is a hacked original YouTube app and made to be more user friendly.

Manuel_D 3y ago
The end result is largely the same: a 3rd party YouTube client that doesn't play ads.
- takeda 3y ago
  For the user, yes, the experience is largely the same, Vanced also has nearly the same UI, but YouTube/Vanced is very likely using a proprietary API, which makes it much easier to argue that TOS was violated, and that's what we are discussing in this thread.

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