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Doesn't surprise me. In my opinion, many companies try to achieve outrageous premiums by taking the route of teen engineering (the originator of hype). In addit

by tb1989 2y ago

Doesn't surprise me. In my opinion, many companies try to achieve outrageous premiums by taking the route of teen engineering (the originator of hype). In addition to rabbit, there is also a series of nothing products. This doesn't convince the tech fetishists. In fact, I think te's contribution to music is very limited, even harmful, especially when I see the latest Yamaha even imitating te, which feels a bit funny and ridiculous. We need real innovation and democratic pricing. By the way, if you care, you can learn about the history of rabbit’s founder. Let's just say, in certain circles, this is a recognized liar. So I’m not surprised at all when it was said a few days ago that Rabbit stole everyone’s passwords.

rideontime 2y ago
Care to elaborate, for the curious? A quick google on Jesse Lyu doesn't turn up much besides his own hype. Although he does appear to at least be obfuscating the truth, failing to admit that the only reason the "bootleg APK" isn't working is because of an IMEI whitelist. Update: They've barely tightened up, now the only missing piece is the OS build fingerprint. https://twitter.com/uwukko/status/1785626783900930447/ https://twitter.com/uwukko/status/1785626783900930447/
datpiff 2y ago
I don't like most of TE's output but the OP-1 is definitely innovative.
- tb1989 2y ago
  as innovative as rabbit r1
- tb1989 2y ago
  Apparently, TE knows this Rabbit person's background as we are talking about millions dollar business. TE's values here are questionable when they decide to go with this guy. As for OP1, packaging a tape effect when it can't produce good sound quality is a fraud. Sampling from FM? Check Klaus Schulze.. Music startups can certainly innovate, such as Roli (Seaboard and Rise), moog. make noise. Open source monome. and, to my sorrow, Émilie Gillet (Mutable Instruments). TE's innovation in music itself is far inferior to them. If you praise te, I think it is unfair to other people who are obsessed with technological innovation. I have always felt that TE is a electronics company with no innovation in hardcore technology. The appearance and packaging are different from previous ones, but there is not enough practical integration. Of course, this is just my personal opinion. If you disagree, you can write down your opinion. Thank you.
  - Bjartr 2y ago
    I would love to know about any other device that ticks the boxes the OP-1 does: * Battery powered * Easily backpack portable * Standalone DAW * Piano layout * Physical knobs and keys * Sequencer * Screen (and accompanying UI) large enough to not feel incredibly cramped That's plenty of stuff that beats the OP-1 on plenty of these, but there just isn't much out there that hits all of them at once.
    - tb1989 2y ago
      an iphone + korg nano series 2 :)
      - Bjartr 2y ago
        That's not standalone, that's two pieces.
        omneity 2y ago
        try the latest Ableton Push, or NI Maschine+
        threeseed 2y ago
        OP-1 is under half the size. The whole kitsch with that device is being able to make music anywhere.
        talldayo 2y ago
        Which is cute, but every single YouTuber you've seen fiddle with it bounces their stems to Ableton Live and mixes on their computer.
        Bjartr 2y ago
        Neat! Those weren't available last time I looked around. Thanks!
    - 2y ago
jibe 2y ago
I don't why it should surprise, or bother, anyone that it is running android. Totally reasonable choice. What does it say that it is treated like some sort of gotcha? Were they supposed to build their own AIOS?
- adgjlsfhk1 2y ago
  because if it's just an android app, you have to wonder why it's not just an app
  - bagels 2y ago
    I thought that before I knew it was running android.
  - temac 2y ago
    Because they want to develop their own idependent ecosystem? Similarly, why does Amazon Fire OS exists? I mean the question is kind of vaguely legitimate, but regardeless of how it is implemented one could ask why it is not an Android app instead. They thought about it and made other choices, and might not want to publicly list all the reasons that made them choose what they did...
  - MBCook 2y ago
    Because no one wants to pay for apps?
    - pembrook 2y ago
      This one actually makes a lot of sense to me. Just from a pure marketing perspective, look at all the insane hype they were able to generate due to possibility of a new physical form factor. There’s no way in hell they could have generated $10M in pre-orders and potentially hundreds of millions in earned media coverage for the 700th app that’s basically a chatgpt api wrapper.
      - MBCook 2y ago
nikcub 2y ago
Twitter thread on rabbit's founder and his previous involvement with NFTs that he scrubbed: https://twitter.com/Andyparackal/status/1785676408280498655 https://twitter.com/Andyparackal/status/1785676408280498655
- ToucanLoucan 2y ago
  Pikachu's everywhere were shocked. This is just the same guy, over and over. If he isn't too old, I bet he was into dropshipping too. Always on whatever new grift, always ready to start selling shovels to gold miners. I wish people were smarter about this stuff.
  - devmunchies 2y ago
    building a hardware company and shipping thousands of devices doesn't seem like a get-rich-quick grift to me. There are a lot of things rabbit can do that you couldn't do on an app since they own the hardware. Just shipped it too soon. The product is definitely not super appealing to me yet in the current state.
    - AlexandrB 2y ago
      I think at the very least it's a kind of trend-chasing. If the AI hype dies down a bit will Rabbit AI continue supporting their product and customers or are they going to wipe their online presence and move on to the next trend like with the NFT thing?
      - ToucanLoucan 2y ago
        I don't even think in this case it's a matter of the AI hype dying down (though it is, and will continue to do so as products like these fail to get actually useful) I think this is just a complete nonstarter. Like, there's just nothing here that isn't better executed with existing tech. If I want to ask my phone to order a pizza, I can set that up in a lot of apps with Siri shortcuts, or, and far more likely, just open the damn app and pick what I want. Why the shit do I want to carry around a Rabbit, and make sure it has wifi access, and keep that also on my person next to my phone that does all that shit already? It's literally just another smartphone, that you only control with your voice which is the worst way to control a smart phone, and it'll offer suggestions I guess? And I guess if you don't want the suggestions you need to have a whole fuckin conversation with it. Like, we've already been down this road. It's tremendously easy as a customer to just be presented a list of things to buy, pick what you want, and swipe your credit card. Rabbit is a regression to ordering things with a phone, except instead of talking to a person, you're talking to a robot. But that's not an improvement, and in fact in many ways, it's a step back. I just, I cannot fathom who wants this.

by tb1989 2y ago

rideontime 2y ago

Care to elaborate, for the curious? A quick google on Jesse Lyu doesn't turn up much besides his own hype. Although he does appear to at least be obfuscating the truth, failing to admit that the only reason the "bootleg APK" isn't working is because of an IMEI whitelist. Update: They've barely tightened up, now the only missing piece is the OS build fingerprint. https://twitter.com/uwukko/status/1785626783900930447/ https://twitter.com/uwukko/status/1785626783900930447/

datpiff 2y ago

I don't like most of TE's output but the OP-1 is definitely innovative.

tb1989 2y ago
as innovative as rabbit r1
tb1989 2y ago
Apparently, TE knows this Rabbit person's background as we are talking about millions dollar business. TE's values here are questionable when they decide to go with this guy. As for OP1, packaging a tape effect when it can't produce good sound quality is a fraud. Sampling from FM? Check Klaus Schulze.. Music startups can certainly innovate, such as Roli (Seaboard and Rise), moog. make noise. Open source monome. and, to my sorrow, Émilie Gillet (Mutable Instruments). TE's innovation in music itself is far inferior to them. If you praise te, I think it is unfair to other people who are obsessed with technological innovation. I have always felt that TE is a electronics company with no innovation in hardcore technology. The appearance and packaging are different from previous ones, but there is not enough practical integration. Of course, this is just my personal opinion. If you disagree, you can write down your opinion. Thank you.
- Bjartr 2y ago
  I would love to know about any other device that ticks the boxes the OP-1 does: * Battery powered * Easily backpack portable * Standalone DAW * Piano layout * Physical knobs and keys * Sequencer * Screen (and accompanying UI) large enough to not feel incredibly cramped That's plenty of stuff that beats the OP-1 on plenty of these, but there just isn't much out there that hits all of them at once.
  - tb1989 2y ago
    an iphone + korg nano series 2 :)
    - Bjartr 2y ago
      That's not standalone, that's two pieces.
      - omneity 2y ago
        try the latest Ableton Push, or NI Maschine+
        threeseed 2y ago
        OP-1 is under half the size. The whole kitsch with that device is being able to make music anywhere.
        talldayo 2y ago
        Which is cute, but every single YouTuber you've seen fiddle with it bounces their stems to Ableton Live and mixes on their computer.
        Bjartr 2y ago
        Neat! Those weren't available last time I looked around. Thanks!
  - 2y ago

jibe 2y ago

I don't why it should surprise, or bother, anyone that it is running android. Totally reasonable choice. What does it say that it is treated like some sort of gotcha? Were they supposed to build their own AIOS?

adgjlsfhk1 2y ago
because if it's just an android app, you have to wonder why it's not just an app
- bagels 2y ago
  I thought that before I knew it was running android.
- temac 2y ago
  Because they want to develop their own idependent ecosystem? Similarly, why does Amazon Fire OS exists? I mean the question is kind of vaguely legitimate, but regardeless of how it is implemented one could ask why it is not an Android app instead. They thought about it and made other choices, and might not want to publicly list all the reasons that made them choose what they did...
- MBCook 2y ago
  Because no one wants to pay for apps?
  - pembrook 2y ago
    This one actually makes a lot of sense to me. Just from a pure marketing perspective, look at all the insane hype they were able to generate due to possibility of a new physical form factor. There’s no way in hell they could have generated $10M in pre-orders and potentially hundreds of millions in earned media coverage for the 700th app that’s basically a chatgpt api wrapper.
    - MBCook 2y ago

nikcub 2y ago

Twitter thread on rabbit's founder and his previous involvement with NFTs that he scrubbed: https://twitter.com/Andyparackal/status/1785676408280498655 https://twitter.com/Andyparackal/status/1785676408280498655

ToucanLoucan 2y ago
Pikachu's everywhere were shocked. This is just the same guy, over and over. If he isn't too old, I bet he was into dropshipping too. Always on whatever new grift, always ready to start selling shovels to gold miners. I wish people were smarter about this stuff.
- devmunchies 2y ago
  building a hardware company and shipping thousands of devices doesn't seem like a get-rich-quick grift to me. There are a lot of things rabbit can do that you couldn't do on an app since they own the hardware. Just shipped it too soon. The product is definitely not super appealing to me yet in the current state.
  - AlexandrB 2y ago
    I think at the very least it's a kind of trend-chasing. If the AI hype dies down a bit will Rabbit AI continue supporting their product and customers or are they going to wipe their online presence and move on to the next trend like with the NFT thing?
    - ToucanLoucan 2y ago
      I don't even think in this case it's a matter of the AI hype dying down (though it is, and will continue to do so as products like these fail to get actually useful) I think this is just a complete nonstarter. Like, there's just nothing here that isn't better executed with existing tech. If I want to ask my phone to order a pizza, I can set that up in a lot of apps with Siri shortcuts, or, and far more likely, just open the damn app and pick what I want. Why the shit do I want to carry around a Rabbit, and make sure it has wifi access, and keep that also on my person next to my phone that does all that shit already? It's literally just another smartphone, that you only control with your voice which is the worst way to control a smart phone, and it'll offer suggestions I guess? And I guess if you don't want the suggestions you need to have a whole fuckin conversation with it. Like, we've already been down this road. It's tremendously easy as a customer to just be presented a list of things to buy, pick what you want, and swipe your credit card. Rabbit is a regression to ordering things with a phone, except instead of talking to a person, you're talking to a robot. But that's not an improvement, and in fact in many ways, it's a step back. I just, I cannot fathom who wants this.