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Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says
- Krasnol 2y agoSounds like it's time again for the litany of fear, uncertainly and doubt or will we, now that the EU has hit so many times, finally hear the other one? The one where Apple came up with the idea by themselves, and they just needed some time to reassure quality?
- hehdhdjehehegwv 2y agoI’m guessing the EU is just holding it wrong.
- thebruce87m 2y ago[flagged]
- frankacter 2y agoWhile not word for word, it echoes the sentiment of the "official" response from Apple. "If you ever experience this on your iPhone 4, avoid gripping it in the lower left corner in a way that covers both sides of the black strip in the metal band"
- thebruce87m 2y agoThere is a difference between “here’s how to avoid the problem” and “the problem is caused by you”.
- hehdhdjehehegwv 2y agoThey sent out bumpers because it was a design flaw.
- thebruce87m 2y agoI know they did, that’s not my point. My point is that the words “you are holding it wrong” were never said. They told people how to avoid the problem. “Here’s a workaround” doesn’t assign blame to the user. “You are holding it wrong” does. The sentiment is different.
- huhtenberg 2y agoOh, the sentiment was there alright. You must've forgotten how Jobs was in general and his massive annoyance when he explained this "workaround" in particular. Of course, it was users' fault. They have always been simpletons. "You are holding it wrong" is spot on. It captures extremely accurately the very essence of Jobs' attitude towards the users.
- dwaite 2y agoThe words they said did not and could not capture your perception of the former Apple CEO. They are different things.
- huhtenberg 2y ago"They" is Jobs. "All phones have sensitive areas," Jobs wrote. "Just avoid holding it in this way." https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2010/06/jobs-on-iphone-4-antenna-avoid-holding-it-in-this-way https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2010/06/jobs-on-iphone-4-ant...
- thebruce87m 2y agoA factual quote and some advice. There is no context as to whether they knew the full extent of the issue or not. Anyone attributing malice to this assumes they do. “All software has bugs”, “avoid using this button” would be a perfectly reasonable thing to say if you were still analysing a problem and the user had an alternative way of using a feature. They eventually did acknowledge a problem and issue bumpers, just as a software issue would be acknowledged and a patch issued.
- josefx 2y agoJobs exact words where: "All phones have sensitive areas, just avoid holding it in this way." Which is arguably worse, since all of Apples official statements on that case contained that bit of intentional gaslighting at the beginning. The iPhone 4 did not just have "sensitive areas", it completely exposed the antenna, causing it to short circuit from normal use.
- thebruce87m 2y agoI know the history of it, I followed it closely at the time. That’s why I pointed out that the quote was wrong ( and got downvoted ). I expect the same will happen to you since you posted the correct quote.
- figassis 2y agoI’m sure you understand why you were downvoted and that it has nothing to do with what facts you stated.
- thebruce87m 2y ago[flagged]
- rezonant 2y agoComplaining about downvoting is bad form. If you are temporarily downvoted on a post and react by editing it to complain, that's a surefire way for that post to remain negative on its point balance.
- thebruce87m 2y agoI’m not scared by downvotes. I called out bad form as I interpreted it, just as you are you are doing now. Posting facts in HN should not warrant downvotes. Neither should reasonable discussions.
- littlestymaar 2y ago> or will we, now that the EU has hit so many times, finally hear the other one This thread actually contains a new argument that I had not seen before: that “the EC is reinventing the rules in an arbitrary fashion”, and it's again a very bad argument (if the EC was doing that, Apple would just go in front of CJEU and win)
- ChrisArchitect 2y ago[dupe] More discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40196573 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40196573
- kevingadd 2y agoI'm genuinely surprised by this. I figured the differences between tablets and phones, combined with Apple's efforts to distinguish between 'iPadOS' and 'iOS', would be enough to get them a win on this point. If the shared app store is part of the problem I wonder if that makes it a liability for any new apple ecosystem to tie into the App Store, like Vision OS for example.
- kvdveer 2y agoWhy would IpadOS not be held to the same DSA rules as IOS? Apple has applied the same model of gatekeeping (walled garden) to both the iPhone and the iPad. DSA attaches requirements to the gatekeepers if they are big enough. Software similarity and market positioning don't really come into consideration once the role of gatekeeper has been established.
- threeseed 2y ago[flagged]
- codetrotter 2y agohttps://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_2363 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_... They had valid reasons for it.
- threeseed 2y agoIt doesn't change the fact that it's arbitrary at this point. There are no rules that are governing what is or isn't a gatekeeper. It's just whatever EC decides that day.
- lastdong 2y agoI believe it follows the Digital Markets Act (DMA), a European Union legislation designed to promote fairness and competition in digital markets. You can find more information here: https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/index_en https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/index_en
- lynx23 2y ago[flagged]
- callalex 2y agoCan you explain how your risk profile will change if you don’t use the feature?
- neverokay 2y agoIt’s bad news for regular folks who will be clicking those install links with no protection from the App Store. The majority of people have been kept safe up until now.
- SOLAR_FIELDS 2y agoIf it’s the Apple we all know, they will probably have to click through about 14 warnings to be able to do this. Someone might make the point that this is not enough of a deterrent, but I’ll counter with the fact that browsers helped make https a thing by giving an ugly looking sign whenever http came around and it definitely helped
- realusername 2y agoWhy people are acting like the appstore is somehow safe? The top apps are casino-like games which aren't that far off malware. Not something I would like my family to use in any case.
- tgv 2y agoSo adding more of those is the answer?
- realusername 2y agoWhy would there be more outside the appstore since the appstore is fine with them? I expect apps predominantly rejected from the appstore to try to go outside it and those casino-like scams are accepted on the appstore.
- rcarmo 2y agoI’m still waiting for a way to run my own apps on my own devices that doesn’t require re-signing them every week.
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- 369548684892826 2y agoWell there is _one_ way but you're probably not going to like it
- rcarmo 2y agoI already use Android devices as well, thanks.
- itake 2y agoMy guess is their way is to buy a dev account, which allows you to install apps for up to 1 year. https://forums.developer.apple.com/forums/thread/91519 https://forums.developer.apple.com/forums/thread/91519
- rcarmo 2y agoBeen there, done that, gave up because it’s not a justifiable expense for individual use. Wrote a couple of Android apps instead but can't really use them daily.
- fingerlocks 2y agoPresumably you work in tech. Every employer I’ve ever had will reimburse my personal dev account fee as an educational expense. Have you tried asking?
- rcarmo 2y ago
- mise_en_place 2y agoThat means Apple must cover jailbroken devices under warranty too. Sideloading Cydia will be even easier now. Apple must support all device configurations now.
- l33ter 2y agoCydia is just an App Store for modifications, right? Don’t you also need to exploit a vulnerability in the OS to get arbitrary code execution? Doubt modifying the OS will be covered under warranty.
- tinytuna 2y agoYes, if you sideload Cydia alone, it’ll still be sandboxed and you won’t be able to install the majority of tweaks
- pjerem 2y agoSoftware modifications are already covered under warranty in Europe too as long as they didn’t cause hardware issues (and it’s up to the manufacturer to prove it).
- mullingitover 2y agoEU seems like it’s just going to keep daring Apple to exit their market. I’m looking forward to their regulations requiring Apple to write open source drivers for the alternative operating system installs they’ll be required to allow.
- drooopy 2y agoDon't threaten me with a good time. I would use Asahi Linux full time on my mac if that were to happen.
- AlchemistCamp 2y agoIt will probably happen at some point. In 1990, the EU was easy to do business in and represented 25% of world GDP. Now it’s exceeding difficult to do business in and represents just 14% of world GDP. If those two trends continue, there will be a point where it’s just not worth it for large companies to be threatened with fines on their “global turnover”.
- jijijijij 2y agoThere is literally no chance of Apple exiting Europe. Don't be silly. Next largest consumer market would be China. Good luck finding economic freedom there.
- sham1 2y agoIf "easy to do business in" and having a large percentage of global GDP requires the ability for tech companies to exploit their users, then I for one am glad as a EU citizen to give up on those to be able to have tech companies curtailed like this, and I wish for the EC to make business even more difficult here. Nothing is stopping companies from acting in a way that isn't anti-customer, other than the fact that anti-customer behaviour is more profitable than acting properly in the single market. We're finally seeing these externalities be addressed and be made slightly better, even if there's still so much more that could be done.
- pjerem 2y agoYou know that EU also have computers engineers ? It’s not like we couldn’t survive without Apple or Google. Probably nobody wants it to happen but if it were to happen, well, I prefer regulated companies than monopolies.
- DCKing 2y agoThe iPad App Store is perhaps an even more dysfunctional place than the iPhone in how much it holds hardware and use cases hostage to the manufacturer's vision. Just imagine how much more versatile the iPad Pro would be if only you could run Linux VMs on it in the moments you want to do anything remotely tinkery on an iPad. Apple's hardware since the 2021 iPad Pro (with M1) has had the ability to do this. The iPads have the RAM (16gb on higher storage models), appropriate keyboard and trackpads, the works. Great hardware being held back by Apple's vision people weren't allowed to deviate from. A straightforward reading of the DMA suggests that Apple is not allowed to restrict apps from using hardware features. Let's hope that means Parallels/VMware style VMs are possible without too much of a fight.
- BillyTheKing 2y agototally agree - the iPad Pro could be a great second coding/programming tool - I'd love to justify buying myself one, but.. I just don't see a use-case if I can't work on it. I don't design stuff, don't really feel like I need a separate browsing device either
- dainiusse 2y agoYep, I've got one and don't use too much. Too big for scrolling, too limited (software) for work. But Apple knows iPad might cannibalize mac and limit it's uses on purpose
- xoac 2y agoNot sure if this is true. I mean wasn’t the vision that you actually don’t need the mac for most things when the ipad came out?
- ako 2y agoFor certain groups of people (the majority?) that is reality, as long as you don’t need compilers, IDEs, or virtualization you can do pretty much anything on an iPad.
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- anileated 2y agoDo I think side-loading and alt app stores would make iPads and iPhones more versatile devices? Yes. Do I believe indie devs will be worse off? Unfortunately, also yes. If you are a solo app developer, you will now have to keep presence on all app stores out there, since if you don’t publish on one then a copycat will. Every store would have its own review processes, fee structures, billing and tax procedures. Since you would need to follow a dozen of those, as an indie operation realistically you will either go under or pay middleman companies a chunk for this—so, in the end, you’ll lose the same cut or more and we’re back to the starting point. Furthermore, I believe you will have much less protection against plain piracy, which was a big thing in the days of yore until it was spectacularly dealt with by Apple within its mobile ecosystem. This is why I suspect the primary interests side-loading and alt app stores on Apple devices would satisfy is large enterprises and a few opportunistic middlemen. Entities like Epic, Netflix, who will be able to generate more profit; governments, perhaps; a few publishing companies (think CDBaby for apps) will win small time; some users who don’t want to pay and want to get things for free might be able to get their way; indie devs will be worse off.
- justinclift 2y ago> I believe Maybe give it some time to see how things shake out, before tying yourself to strong "beliefs" up front?
- pantulis 2y agoIt's fair: beliefs are like that, you have them before seeing how things shake out.
- justinclift 2y ago> beliefs are like that Not really a common approach with the people I know. People can make educated guesses ahead of facts. That's pretty standard. But having strong "beliefs" without evidence just means there's no real basis for the "belief". And that makes it just an irrational feeling or wish-for-it-to-be-true for whatever reason.
- tomashubelbauer 2y agoI am happy to see Apple's arm twisted, but disappointed the demand is to allow alternative app stores and not user-facing side-loading. In my view, having only the official Apple App Store is just fine as long as Apple also adds the ability to install an app off an unsigned IPA file for free. With that, users would be free to install apps that Apple don't deem fit for the app store, giving them the freedom to use their device as they see fit.
- whywhywhywhy 2y agoIt would need to be signed so there would be a way to disable it if needed. This is essentially the same on MacOS now if you distribute, things built without signature at all only open on the machine they were built, you need to provide even a self signature to get it to open with a warning on another machine.
- firstbabylonian 2y ago> ability to install an app off an unsigned IPA file for free I feel like the thinking is that there must be an entity — somebody running an app store — who could be held legally responsible for any damage caused by malware distributed via their channels. Regular non-tech-savvy users cannot be trusted with such delicate software as apps running on their personal phones.
- robertjpayne 2y agoThis is the myth that everyone is going to be screwed by. Nobody is going to be legally responsible for malware that ends up on your device. The only difference is Apple has the $$ and incentives to remove it as soon as it's brought to their attention (assuming it's actual malware that may cause large financial loss not just copyright infringement). Alt-stores will be ridden with malware and nobody is going to be legally responsible for it. We can just hope the alt-stores that end up existing have incentives to keep them "clean".
- firstbabylonian 2y agoCorrect, which is why allowing no-store app delivery would unleash an even greater chaos. In a world where any random website can trick a user into downloading an app via sideloading, there's no hope to protect people from 'unclean' software.
- KolmogorovComp 2y agoHas there any alternative store that has been launched yet? Who are the contenders? Epic, Spotify, Meta?
- shafyy 2y agoAltStore (https://altstore.io/ https://altstore.io/) is available, but only has two apps last time I checked.
- toyg 2y agoFor all the publicity that the AltStore solo developer tries to push, it's not really a marketplace - it's a hack that Apple let live precisely because it will never get any serious traction.
- oliv__ 2y agoI'm waiting for the EU to just take over Apple. I think the EU should just straight up run the company now since it seems to know what's best for its customers. Just replace Tim Cook with Ursula von der Leyen already
- gchokov 2y agoDo I think side-loading and alt app stores would make iPads and iPhones more versatile devices? Yes. Will I ever install something side loaded? No.
- toyg 2y agoDoes anyone care about what you do with your own devices? No. Should your position impose any limitation on what people can do with their own devices? Also no.
- gchokov 2y agoAre you hating because UK doesn’t get this? Can I not tell what I do with my device? I am not imposing anything, especially to weening people. FFS.
- Longhanks 2y agoWith these legislations, I always wonder how the lawmakers come up with timeframes like 6 months. Who is to say this implementation doesn't take, say, a year? I doubt lawmakers have the technological know how to estimate such a project (actually, I doubt anyone has) - but 6 months seems rather short (given they hadn't just had to implement the same thing for iOS)...?
- rsynnott 2y ago> given they hadn't just had to implement the same thing for iOS You've kind of answered this for yourself; iPadOS _is_ iOS. Apple has, in any case, presumably more or less known this was coming for a year or so; they kind of had to make the argument that iPadOS and iOS were not the same thing, I suppose, but it was always a bit far-fetched that the EC would buy that.
- ghusto 2y agoIt was actually due to the way "gatekeeper" is defined. The EU has now said that although iPads (still) do not meet the criteria, they are being explicitly targeted anyway. My guess is because this is simpler than expanding the criteria to include iPads in some way.
- Kbelicius 2y ago> My guess is because this is simpler than expanding the criteria to include iPads in some way. They don't need to expand the criteria. DMA empowers the commission to investigate, and even declare as gatekeepers, products that do not meet the quantitative thresholds on the basis of qualitative assessment. EU Commissioner Thierry Breton said: “We continue monitoring market developments and will not hesitate to open new investigations should other services below the thresholds present characteristics to be considered important gateways for business users,”. per the commission iPad passes the threshold for business users elevenfold.
- troupo 2y agoAny deadline will be declared either too short or too long. That's why the deadlines usually tend to be on the shorter side to put actual pressure on companies needing to implement them. However, the companies always have a way to say "look, we've tried our best, it's just we just need more time". No one is going to fine them for not meeting those deadlines if the companies are actually working on implementing the changes in good faith.
- jug 2y agoThey didn't along with iOS? Oh come on! Apple... sigh I think this might honestly make iPad more appealing, and serve Apple more than they might think. The room for improvement on iPadOS seems greater than iOS due to iPadOS underutilizing the device.
- sharpshadow 2y agoDoes this mean we finally get Adblock on iOS devices?
- fredski42 2y agoUse Orion from Kagi. Get ublock.
- sharpshadow 2y agoInteresting didn’t know they have a browser for iOS with web extensions working I check it out. Thanks. Would be super cool if Ublock works with it as u say.
- vundercind 2y agoI’ve had ad blocking on my iPhone for years. No I didn’t “hack” the device or anything, the last thing I want to do is tinker with my single most important computing device, I need it to work all the time and work well. It’s been possible for years, officially.
- trogdor 2y agoHow?
- CubsFan1060 2y ago1Blocker works amazing for me.
- Terretta 2y ago1Blocker is excellent. So is AdGuard Pro. So is NextDNS profile for iOS. And so is Kagi Orion+ browser with Firefox and Chrome extensions like uBlock Origin. Don't drink the "you can'd do that on iPad" koolaid without asking someone unbiased quietly using these things already.
- talldayo 2y agoDon't forget that Apple first-party services are exempt from this feature. It is Apple's iPad, after all. https://twitter.com/mysk_co/status/1683256902484992004 https://twitter.com/mysk_co/status/1683256902484992004 (probably unrelated) https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-secretly-giving-governments-push-notification-data/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-...
- dzogchen 2y agoSideloading is such a horrible term for “installing apps without Apple’s approval”. And Apple illegally even tries to STILL require their approval.
- FooBarWidget 2y agoI agree. I have no idea when "sideloading" as a term became a thing when it's just plain old "installing software".
- wccrawford 2y agoI think it's because dystopian situations force people to name things oddly. And yes, I think not being able to put an app on a device that I paid for is dystopian. I also think not being allowed to repair my own devices is dystopian, too. If no device had ever prevented a user from installing their own home-made apps, "side-loading" would never have become a thing. For gaming consoles, I was vaguely uneased by it at first, but quickly got over it because it had always been that way. I never had a chance to put my own game on a game console. But with general-use computers, including mobile phones, the whole idea really bothers me. I PDAs and brick phones had never allowed people to write their own apps, I might be less bothered by it. But (thankfully!) they did. That cat's out of the bag, and long ago. Even Google's attempts to prevent "sideloading" bother me at this point. Any warning that applies to side-loaded apps should also apply to store-installed apps because they have shown they aren't foolproof.
- marak830 2y agoI would argue the same reason "quiet quitting" has become more of a norm. Corporate interests that are pushed to various media that becomes 'standard'.
- fl_rn_st 2y agoThe biggest problem rn is Apple's blocking of JIT for everything but browsers. This means neither UTM nor the more modern emulators can run at close to full speed. I'd like to see this changed. This seems like the real "Gatekeeper".
- user_7832 2y agoCould you explain what JIT would allow? Would sideloading allow this to "work" or would it need OS support?
- fl_rn_st 2y agoJIT (Just-In-Time) compilation is a technique that allows certain programs to run significantly faster by compiling code at runtime, rather than ahead of time. Apple enabled this for iOS 14+, but killed it again with iOS 17. It's basically the reason why we currently don't have full speed VM's on iOS / iPadOS devices. While Sideloading / Altstore / Sidestore allows you to install any IPA, this still doesn't enable JIT for these apps. There are currently some workarounds that involve running certain software on your local network (search SideJITServer on Github).
- user_7832 2y agoThanks! > but killed it again with iOS 17 Aah, this explains why UTM (iirc) allowed VMs on iOS 16 on M1 macs but not on 17. > There are currently some workarounds that involve running certain software on your local network (search SideJITServer on Github). If I understand right this requires another computer to run some code, right?
- ghusto 2y agoExcellent! This was a bad oversight, and I'm so happy it's being corrected. For one thing, it makes native Gecko more viable for Mozilla :)
- neya 2y agoAlmost a decade ago, I bought an iPad Air to try and replace my MacBook Pro. It didn't work and had to resort to laggy online editors with paid subscriptions. And even then, when I was doing Ruby on Rails, it didn't even work out. Ok, so, the technology was new, sure. Last year I got myself an M series iPad "Pro" thinking things would have changed. Well, VS Code was the only product that allowed me to run a tiny VM to edit and deploy my apps online. It worked really well to its credit despite a little bit of hacks (have to save it as a Safari shortcut) but still, a far cry from replacing my MacBook Pro. I have the same M series Mac mini back home that I do insane multi-tasking on and something I would claim is easily the best god damn computer ever made for IT devs like myself. That's when I realized, the limitation is in the OS and not the hardware. The iPad "Pro" is really powerful for a lot of other stuff. Photo editing, music creation and what not. Ironically, I saw someone on YouTube get annoyed with the same problem and use a Raspberry Pi attached with the iPad as a MacBook Pro replacement (it draws power from the iPad itself, so it's a single cable solution). I was amazed and sad at the same time that Apple had to push their neglected audience so far to the point of even bundling our own DIY hardware to make it usable to call it a "Pro". The iPad's "Pro" is such a misnomer. I am still waiting for the day when I can throw away my MacBook Pro and work from a small factor without carrying a brick to charge a 14", almost 3Kg device in my office bag every day. Hopefully this changes things.
- rcarmo 2y agoYeah, I’ve been doing the “sidecar” approach for a long time. Here’s the latest iteration: https://taoofmac.com/space/blog/2023/10/07/1830 https://taoofmac.com/space/blog/2023/10/07/1830 I would also love to run a Linux VM on my iPad Pro, but if we could get third-party app sideloading to work without alternative app stores and other idiocy UTM would fix that for me.
- neya 2y agoThanks for sharing, very interesting read!
- stevej1999 2y agoBase on your descriptions MacBook Air would fit your needs the best. Most people don't need MacBook Pro. Those extra cores just sit idle most of the time if not utilised for heavy computation.
- BiteCode_dev 2y agoSome people somewhere will say that the EU is once again regulating instead of innovating. But I really like this change.
- zmmmmm 2y agoIt's telling that they are even going after iPadOS. Really messages to Apple strongly that they have no hope of dodging this on iOS if even a relatively niche product by comparison is also qualifying them for gatekeeper status.
- op00to 2y agoI’m directing my inlaws to ask for help here when they install bullshit on their iPad or iPhone that breaks something. I refuse to help with that! :)
- AshleysBrain 2y agoI suspect the only reason Apple rebranded iOS on iPad as iPadOS a few years ago was just to be able to claim it's a separate OS for regulatory reasons, despite it obviously being the same iOS as run on iPhones but on a different form factor device. I'm glad this gambit did not fool the EU.
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- chucke1992 2y agoPersonally I am surprised that IPad has its own OS. I thought it uses the same one as iPhone.
- IH0kN3m 2y agoIt is mostly just an iOS under the hood. Apple separated the iOS and iPadOS, saying that this way they can develop for it separate exclusive features. While we have things like multitasking and stage manager, mostly it’s been an excuse to bring iOS features to the iPadOS with a delay for a year.
- Terretta 2y ago> mostly it’s been an excuse to bring iOS features to the iPadOS with a delay for a year On the contrary, mostly the iPad and iPad OS was the testbed for VisionOS UI management for years, ensuring that iPad apps (and app devs) had to implement support for arbitrary window shapes and layering, using the same affordances (more or less) as VisionOS, unlike iPhone apps that are stuck in portrait or landscape. There's a lot of truth to AVP is an iPad strapped to your face, and if you have worked on iPad as professional daily driver for 5+ years and now own an AVP, you can remember aspects of VisionPro getting tested in the field over this time period.
- nla 2y agoApple should walk away from the communism of the EU.
- Cesura 2y agoCommunism is when multinational corporations can't operate in any market that they want, using any practices they see fit, with complete impunity.
- troupo 2y agoEU: Hey, competition is good for capitalism actually. Randos on the internet: EU is communism
- talldayo 2y agoLook at all the wonderful ways American citizens flourish now that basic public systems and protocols have been privatized! Life is great here, provided you're paid well. Wait, you're not paid well and got laid off by hand-wringing executives that went cagey when SVB collapsed? C-clearly the problem is not enough investment in Big-Tech then! How will anyone be able to meaningfully disrupt other businesses now that basic consumer protections exist?! So on and so forth until the $AAPL in your 401k shrinks to a size that you no longer feel embarrassed calling them out.
- boyka 2y agoI guess this only applies to new releases of iPadOS? Meaning no possibility to make old iPads reusable as, e.g., a linux machine?
- Havoc 2y agoSide loading apps and installing an alternate OS are very different
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- Blackstrat 2y agoThere's no reason for this change. Experience has shown that when governments dictate technology changes, in the end, none of us are better off. There are alternatives to the IPad. Buy one of them. IOS/IPadOS are going to become less stable and less secure with forced access. Too much government everywhere.
- syene 2y agoiPhone and iPads are marketed as general computing devices and are used by people as general computing devices. Being able to run whatever software you want is a cornerstone of computers that some computer companies have tried to prohibit for their own profit margins, and branded it as a security feature. The industry hasn’t been able to right this in over a decade, so I support governments intervening.
- b0dhimind 2y agoI would be so happy to not have to install and refresh AltStore and "developer apps" for emulation and what-not... which is what I think this means?
- interludead 2y agoEU is keeping an eye on Apple
- fagrobot 2y ago…after which they should abandon it and focus on something else