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October 2025 will be a support massacre for a bunch of Microsoft products
- greatgib 2y ago"In March 2021, we confronted a serious reality: state sponsored threat actors were targeting on-premises Exchange servers." That totally joke excuse to just say that they think that they can milk their users more with a saas business instead of selling permanent licenses. Also I find it very funny that Microsoft use the security of on-premise as an excuse when you see how insecure was their own IT with most of the public exchange was probably vulnerable to leak multiple times and for a long time...
- lolinder 2y agoYou cut the part of the paragraph that gives the actual context for the quote: > In 2022, Microsoft said the next version of the server would turn up in the second half of 2025. It was originally planned for 2021, but Microsoft said: "Unfortunately, 2021 had other plans for Exchange Server. In March 2021, we confronted a serious reality: state sponsored threat actors were targeting on-premises Exchange servers." They're not trying to use the incident as an excuse to push people off of Exchange, all they're saying is that the 2021 release was delayed because of the security incidents. Here's what Microsoft actually said in the blog post (emphasis theirs) [0]: > We will maintain the current support dates for Exchange Server 2013, Exchange Server 2016, and Exchange Server 2019; however, we plan to support the next version of Exchange Server beyond October 14, 2025. We are moving the next version of Exchange Server to our Modern Lifecycle Policy, which has no end of support dates. We plan on continuing to support Exchange Server as long as there is substantive market demand. [0] https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/exchange-team-blog/exchange-server-roadmap-update/ba-p/3421389 https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/exchange-team-blog/ex...
- sofixa 2y ago> Also I find it very funny that Microsoft use the security of on-premise as an excuse when you see how insecure was their own IT with most of the public exchange was probably vulnerable to leak multiple times and for a long time... Azure is by far the worst public cloud in terms of security. It was so bad, the Bing homepage could be edited by any logged in user, and that's just one example. A random selection of other examples I've previously commented on here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39990768 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39990768
- Arcuru 2y agoHas anyone figured out how many devices are still running Windows that can't upgrade to 11? The oldest Intel CPUs supported were released in 2017.
- throwaway48476 2y agoI am, for one.
- r2_pilot 2y agoI am, for two. I bought the flagship Intel cpu the generation before support for win 11, and when I get done with it, I will switch it to Linux and have an awesome computer.
- ocdtrekkie 2y agoThis really is a place any climate-concerned country should find a way to legally intervene. Speaking of my ten year old gaming PC which still runs modern games fine, forcing me to replace it is just straight carbon waste.
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- Ekaros 2y agoMaybe there should be some sort of licensing. Single appliance like phone or laptop per person. You can not get new one until you have proven that you have tried to get device repaired. And accidental or intentional damage like dropping or water would result in permanently losing right to that device for some reasonable period like 10 to 15 years from purchase date...
- vel0city 2y agoAre the same people making a stink about Microsoft doing this also making a stink about Apple doing practically the same every time they release a new MacOS version? How long should hardware be supported? Indefinitely? Should Microsoft still target 286's? Pentium III's?
- johnwheeler 2y agoMassacre huh…
- alyandon 2y agoI still wonder if Microsoft is going to blink with the whole Windows 11 requires TPM + modern(ish) CPU requirements vs the EOL of Windows 10. I have a lot of hardware that will not run Windows 11 without hacking the installer to bypass the TPM/CPU checks and even then the end result is something that would be unsupported by Microsoft. If I move these machines to Windows 11 I'll be at risk of a future update hosing the install because it relies on newer CPU instructions or non-existent TPM. I'm not going to retire those systems - I'll just migrate them to Linux instead.
- iamleppert 2y agoBusinesses can turn to new AI powered features and applications, such as Microsoft Bing and ChatGPT to replace these legacy systems. AI powered Bing and Microsoft 365 provide engaging and immersive experiences, powered by generative AI and ChatGPT. These tools allow businesses to move at the speed of 365, and get more done, more securely and more efficiently than ever before with the help of AI.
- dimgl 2y agoThis reads like spam.
- iamleppert 2y agoIts exactly what was sent to us by our Microsoft Account Manager.
- bogdanos 2y agoWell, maybe put some quotes around the text...? I mistook it for some ai generated spam (which probably was after all)
- nix0n 2y agoWhat sort of third-party antivirus/firewall are people using these days? Windows 10 is really the only viable option for my gaming PC (everything else is on Linux). So I'll run it as safely as I can.
- jve 2y agoWhy you need 3rd party vendors where some of them introduces vulnerabilities when you have built-in Windows Defender and Firewall? Or you love those popups from 3rd party vendors?
- nix0n 2y agoI'm assuming the drop of first-party support will force me onto a third-party. I have had bad experiences in the past, so I'm trying to find out if there are any good ones. I know my CPU will take a hit, but I have cycles to spare despite not having TPU support.
- grujicd 2y agoI'm using Nod32 (or whatever Eset calls it these days) for more than a decade and it's mostly not noticeable. I can recommend it over Defender from performance point of view - since I noticed slowdowns on machines where Defender is used. It's hard to know which one protects better, didn't have any kind of "infection" since started using Nod.
- eviks 2y agoWindows introduces vulnerabilities all the time, how is that an argument? Or do you love the ugly interface of Firewall?
- jve 2y agoWell, by increasing attack surface you do introduce potentially more vulnerabilities. And this ain't a fairy tale - lots of stories about AV MITMing traffic, introducing unsecure endpoints, adware, etc.
- rkagerer 2y agoWorkaround is to use products which are already out of support. Eg. I'm still rocking Word and Excel 2003, and prefer them in most cases over the subsequent Ribbony-versions (despite having both installed). As a nice bonus I'm immune from random updates that overhaul the UX, break features or move my cheese. There are effective ways to mitigate the security concerns.
- neilv 2y agoI sold your city a bridge that has an engineering flaw, such that it collapses when a purple van followed by an orange scooter drives over it. It also has thousands of other serious engineering flaws, for other combinations of vehicle and foot traffic. I keep the bridge blueprints secret, so that only I can make patches for the engineering flaws. But I'll slowly trickle patches to some of the thousands of engineering flaws. (Mainly when they result in collapses to bridges I've built in other cities.) Each time, I'll act like I'm doing you a favor, patching some of the bridge engineering flaws that I made negligently. And I'll start bundling concessions and invasiveness with these patches. The patch for the design flaw that makes the bridge collapse when green polka-dot truck drives over it-- comes with a garish billboard that I control. The patch for the design flaw that makes the bridge collapse when a convertible with the windshield wipers on drives over it-- gratuitously requires that everyone driving over it lets me copy all their documents and photos. It doesn't help that your city has some really jerky enemies, who like to make bridges collapse, and have lots of time on their hands. (Maybe you should've thought of that when selecting an engineering firm for your bridge.) Somehow, I don't get jailed for shoddy bridge engineering, nor lose my bridge engineering license, nor even have to pay compensation for any of the collapses of bridges that I sold to other cities.
- grujicd 2y agoThis bridge is under 24/7 hacker attacks from all parts of the world. Some of them try to unscrew bolts, some dig around the foundation, some remove a brick or two here or there or cut suspension cables. In absence of these hackers bridge could be used without any modifications for any number of pink or orange vehicles. It supports any kind of traffic requested in specification. So it's not really a problem with any kind of regular use, it's a problem with huge number of adversaries who try to find a weak point and then actively exploit it. Flawled analogy aside, is there an example of an OS which is actively used on open internet and doesn't require security patches or bug fixes? Or any other significantly complex software? Why should we expect from Microsoft what was not achieved anywhere else in our industry? It could be that software development is more complex and more error prone than bridge building after all.
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- nerdjon 2y agoI don't have any thoughts on any of the other stuff, but I am sticking with Windows 10 until the Windows 11 LTSC version comes out later this year. Especially with a lot of the crap that Microsoft keeps adding too Windows 11 recently. I refuse to run a non stripped down version of Windows. Windows 10 LTSC has been amazing for gaming, particularly on my Steam Deck. That being said, almost a year and a half away doesn't really seem like a time to start panicking unless I am missing something?
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- saulpw 2y agoIt is interesting that Google gets a lot of flak for canceling products, while Microsoft effectively cancels products all the time through EOL, but it doesn't register the same because they will sell you the next version (which is NOT the same as the old version only better). Would love to still run Windows XP.
- daveoc64 2y agoIt's not at all interesting. Google closes services with no alternative, and as they are almost always cloud-based, you can't use them at all after the closure. Microsoft is selling products that can be used indefinitely, albeit without continued software updates from Microsoft.
- vel0city 2y agoIt is interesting that Google gets a lot of flak for canceling products, while ~~Microsoft~~ Canoical effectively cancels products all the time through EOL, but it doesn't register the same because they will sell you the next version (which is NOT the same as the old version only better). Would love to still run Dapper Drake.
- pquki4 2y agoThat's really a stretch to equate cancelling products to product EOL. I don't think I need to explain it -- anyone who ever looked at the release cycle of Python, Ubuntu, Django, Node.js etc understands why it is common and makes sense to have a well-defined support timeline.
- patmorgan23 2y agoMicrosoft tells you in 5-10 years this product will be unsupported, you almost always have the option to buy extended support and sometimes they push back the EOL date. And the solution to the EOL is to upgrade to the new release. Google randomly kills products with 30-60 days notice, and no upgrade path to a different product. Completely different.
- SlavikCA 2y agoThe difference is that with Microsoft you often still can use unsupported product. You can use Windows XP today, even though it's not very useful. But you can't use Google Reader or Google Wave in any shape or form.
- dist-epoch 2y agoWindows 10 has 67% market share, Windows 11 has 27%. There is absolutely no chance Windows 10 gets killed next year. Don't forget Microsoft backed down from removing Paint from Windows after some minor backlash.
- dspillett 2y ago> Don't forget Microsoft backed down from removing Paint from Windows after some minor backlash. A more relevant example might be that they extended the life of XP because there was demand for the netbooks of the time that there was no way Vista would run on acceptably. In that case, as with being forced off Win10, Linux was the main alternative.
- hulitu 2y ago> Don't forget Microsoft backed down from removing Paint from Windows after some minor backlash. They still removed it. The new Paint is a parody.
- abhinavk 2y agoThe new Paint is still the older Paint with a few new features. Back in the day, MS was trying to replace paint.exe with Paint3D app.
- vel0city 2y agoThe new paint is massively improved compared to the old paint. Layer support for PNG finally, if the only improvement, makes whatever tradeoffs are in the app (I haven't found any downsides personally) worth it.
- AdamN 2y agoWhere's that data from?
- SirMaster 2y agoWell it's explicitly not getting killed. You can pay for updates after the date. https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/5/23988896/microsoft-windows-10-extended-security-updates-consumers-paid https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/5/23988896/microsoft-window...
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- post_break 2y agoDon’t forget about these juicy dates. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/deployoffice/endofsupport/windows-server-support https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/deployoffice/endofsupport/...
- jmclnx 2y agoMicrosoft 365 Apps is probably the only thing keeping Windows Server on the Cloud Relevant.