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>The UAW literally had all their members sit down in various places throughout the factory and offices of GM in the past... I don't know why you think they "wou

>The UAW literally had all their members sit down in various places throughout the factory and offices of GM in the past... I don't know why you think they "wouldn't be able to get members off" from this. Ya but that was coordinated by the union for the benefit of the union, right? These people are going rogue. I don't think the UAW would support them either.

tw04 3y ago
You do realize the UAW has protected members from showing up to work high, right? Gotten them into treatment and back on the line. They don’t just protect members when it suits their needs. They would absolutely support members protesting what the members believe is a human rights violation.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  They wouldn’t because the case law is very clear in this. I mean, they might offer moral support, but the lawyers would already know that legal support is futile.
  - tw04 3y ago
    Please cite the “case law that is very clear in this”.
    - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
      I did in another comment, you can just look at the wiki article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitdown_strike https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitdown_strike The case that sets the definitive answer is in 1939 by the Supreme Court: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NLRB_v._Fansteel_Metallurgical_Corp https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NLRB_v._Fansteel_Metallurgic.... It leaves wiggle little room to get anything out of this from the company being striked against.
      - tw04 3y ago
        It leaves a ton of wiggle room actually. Nothing in the story says the Google employees were trespassed and arrested. The case you cited says that the NRLB can’t force an employer to rehire a worker fired for breaking the law. Furthermore, it says absolutely nothing about the union itself protecting an employee, just the limits of the NRLB in forcing a worker to be rehired. Otherwise ya… no wiggle room.
        skissane 3y ago
        Do you really think, that if these employees won against Google in court, the current conservative SCOTUS majority would just let that ruling stand?
- Clubber 3y ago
  Protest activities like strikes and sit-ins/sit-downs and whatnot are voted on and approved. When a few members do this without voting, they endanger everyone in the union for their personal beliefs. If the union voted on it and it was approved, then I think they would certainly support the protesters. If they didn't and protestors just did it on their own, that would be a big mess and I'm not sure what would happen, but I would guess expulsion from the union. https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/discipline-your-trade-union https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/discipline-your-trade-u...
  - tw04 3y ago
    This didn’t occur in the UK… US unions protect members for “non-approved” actions all the time. See: your local police union.

tw04 3y ago

You do realize the UAW has protected members from showing up to work high, right? Gotten them into treatment and back on the line. They don’t just protect members when it suits their needs. They would absolutely support members protesting what the members believe is a human rights violation.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago
They wouldn’t because the case law is very clear in this. I mean, they might offer moral support, but the lawyers would already know that legal support is futile.
- tw04 3y ago
  Please cite the “case law that is very clear in this”.
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    I did in another comment, you can just look at the wiki article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitdown_strike https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitdown_strike The case that sets the definitive answer is in 1939 by the Supreme Court: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NLRB_v._Fansteel_Metallurgical_Corp https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NLRB_v._Fansteel_Metallurgic.... It leaves wiggle little room to get anything out of this from the company being striked against.
    - tw04 3y ago
      It leaves a ton of wiggle room actually. Nothing in the story says the Google employees were trespassed and arrested. The case you cited says that the NRLB can’t force an employer to rehire a worker fired for breaking the law. Furthermore, it says absolutely nothing about the union itself protecting an employee, just the limits of the NRLB in forcing a worker to be rehired. Otherwise ya… no wiggle room.
      - skissane 3y ago
        Do you really think, that if these employees won against Google in court, the current conservative SCOTUS majority would just let that ruling stand?
Clubber 3y ago
Protest activities like strikes and sit-ins/sit-downs and whatnot are voted on and approved. When a few members do this without voting, they endanger everyone in the union for their personal beliefs. If the union voted on it and it was approved, then I think they would certainly support the protesters. If they didn't and protestors just did it on their own, that would be a big mess and I'm not sure what would happen, but I would guess expulsion from the union. https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/discipline-your-trade-union https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/discipline-your-trade-u...
- tw04 3y ago
  This didn’t occur in the UK… US unions protect members for “non-approved” actions all the time. See: your local police union.