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I've been looking at ProseMirror (mostly through tiptap2, which seems to wrangle it effectively) but taking the jump is daunting. I'd be interested in others' e

I've been looking at ProseMirror (mostly through tiptap2, which seems to wrangle it effectively) but taking the jump is daunting. I'd be interested in others' experiences.

notresidenter 2y ago
Tiptap is a great wrapper around ProseMirror, and if you need to dig deep, TipTap lets you do that but the documentation, for both TipTap and PM isn't as good as it could be and the conceptual model for PM is _hard_ to pick up on the go. I've spent several days on it to get close to what we spec-ed, granted, that's probably a tenth of what I would've spent if I had to build it from scratch, but definitely an investment, because getting all the little interactive details and the way that the custom inline/block elements should work just as the user expects is _hard_. Overall, it's the only tool I found that makes it as easy as possible to create a good writing/editing experience but it's a hard easy.
wgj 2y ago
I've used prosemirror enough to have written custom nodes, commands, and custom code around its collaboration model. I got good results with all of this and I don't know any other platform that could have matched it. The docs are thoughtful. There's an up-front learning curve to understand the architecture. When doing highly customized things, I referred to the source when needed. For standard rich text, there are a lot of options. Prosemirror shines when you want to build on it as a platform.
tbeseda 2y ago
With the release of Quill v2, I went away from TipTap + PM to Quill. My use case is not super complex. I just want a decent editing experience (for trusted, technical people, not average end users) and solid HTML I can save to a db. Quill has `getSemanticHTML()` which is great for my implementation. PM is great, but expansive and overpowered for my needs.
- jasonjmcghee 2y ago
  TipTap has the equivalent with `getHTML` which is calling a PM function that does the same.
pembrook 2y ago
Tried Tiptap recently and it was fairly buggy even for basic stuff like lists. Apparently the team behind it went the VC route and raised a few million so ideally they'd be moving faster at this point, but it doesn't seem much improved from when I tried it a few years ago. That said, text editing in the browser is indeed a nightmare, so it's hard to fault anyone trying to make it easier.
- amelius 2y ago
  I didn't know there was that much money in writing a rich text editor ...
  - dubcanada 2y ago
    CKEditor and TinyMCE seem to be doing fine.
    - romanhn 2y ago
      Are they? Both have been acquired by the same holding company.
pier25 2y ago
I spent weeks back in 2020 fighting with PM trying to customize behaviors such as bullet points etc. At the time the documentation was sparse and for me progress was extremely hard. I ended up abandoning the project but wrote a short introduction here which might help you get started. https://github.com/PierBover/prosemirror-cookbook https://github.com/PierBover/prosemirror-cookbook

I've been looking at ProseMirror (mostly through tiptap2, which seems to wrangle it effectively) but taking the jump is daunting. I'd be interested in others' experiences.

notresidenter 2y ago

Tiptap is a great wrapper around ProseMirror, and if you need to dig deep, TipTap lets you do that but the documentation, for both TipTap and PM isn't as good as it could be and the conceptual model for PM is _hard_ to pick up on the go. I've spent several days on it to get close to what we spec-ed, granted, that's probably a tenth of what I would've spent if I had to build it from scratch, but definitely an investment, because getting all the little interactive details and the way that the custom inline/block elements should work just as the user expects is _hard_. Overall, it's the only tool I found that makes it as easy as possible to create a good writing/editing experience but it's a hard easy.

wgj 2y ago

I've used prosemirror enough to have written custom nodes, commands, and custom code around its collaboration model. I got good results with all of this and I don't know any other platform that could have matched it. The docs are thoughtful. There's an up-front learning curve to understand the architecture. When doing highly customized things, I referred to the source when needed. For standard rich text, there are a lot of options. Prosemirror shines when you want to build on it as a platform.

tbeseda 2y ago

With the release of Quill v2, I went away from TipTap + PM to Quill. My use case is not super complex. I just want a decent editing experience (for trusted, technical people, not average end users) and solid HTML I can save to a db. Quill has `getSemanticHTML()` which is great for my implementation. PM is great, but expansive and overpowered for my needs.

jasonjmcghee 2y ago
TipTap has the equivalent with `getHTML` which is calling a PM function that does the same.

pembrook 2y ago

Tried Tiptap recently and it was fairly buggy even for basic stuff like lists. Apparently the team behind it went the VC route and raised a few million so ideally they'd be moving faster at this point, but it doesn't seem much improved from when I tried it a few years ago. That said, text editing in the browser is indeed a nightmare, so it's hard to fault anyone trying to make it easier.

amelius 2y ago
I didn't know there was that much money in writing a rich text editor ...
- dubcanada 2y ago
  CKEditor and TinyMCE seem to be doing fine.
  - romanhn 2y ago
    Are they? Both have been acquired by the same holding company.

pier25 2y ago

I spent weeks back in 2020 fighting with PM trying to customize behaviors such as bullet points etc. At the time the documentation was sparse and for me progress was extremely hard. I ended up abandoning the project but wrote a short introduction here which might help you get started. https://github.com/PierBover/prosemirror-cookbook https://github.com/PierBover/prosemirror-cookbook