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You can see from Zuck's interviews that he is still an engineer at heart. Every other big tech company has lost that kind of leadership.
by paxys 3y ago
You can see from Zuck's interviews that he is still an engineer at heart. Every other big tech company has lost that kind of leadership.
- eigenvalue 3y agoFor sure. I just started watching the new Dwarkesh interview with Zuck that was just released ( https://t.co/f4h7ko0M7q https://t.co/f4h7ko0M7q ) and you can just tell from the first few minutes that he simply has a different level of enthusiasm and passion and level of engagement than 99% of big tech CEOs.
- acchow 3y agoI've never heard of this person, but many of the questions he asks Zuck show a total lack of any insight in this field. How did this interview even happen?
- bricee98 3y agoI actually think Dwarkesh is usually pretty good - this interview wasn’t his best (maybe he was a bit nervous because it’s Zuck?) but his show has had a lot of good conversations that get more into the weeds than other shows in my experience
- jesseduffield 3y agoSeconding this opinion: Dwarkesh's podcast is really good. I haven't watched all of the Zuck interview but I recommend others to check out a couple extra episodes to get a more representative sample. He is one of the few postcasters who does his homework.
- behnamoh 3y agoHe talks a bit too fast, but I kinda get the vibe that he's genuinely interested in these topics.
- euiq 3y agoHe’s built up an impressive amount of clout over a short period of time, mostly by interviewing interesting guests on his podcast while not boring listeners to death (unlike a certain other interviewer with high-caliber guests that shall remain nameless).
- Mandelmus 3y agoWhat's the meaning of life though, and why is it love?
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- vault 3y agothanks for sharing! he looks more human compared to all the previous interviews I've seen.
- courseofaction 3y agoWho cares, listen to what he says. 38:30 Zuckerberg states that they won't release models once they're sufficiently powerful. It's OpenAI again, facebook has burnt all customer trust for years and the fact they changed their name to "Meta" actually worked.
- FuckButtons 3y agoI mean, he was pretty open with his motivations if you ask me, open source exists because it is a positive sum game, he gets something in return for being open, if that calculus is no longer true then he has no incentive to be open.
- schleck8 3y agoDepends on your size threshhold. For anything beyond 100 bn in market cap certainly. There is some relatively large companies with a similar flair though, like Cohere and obviously Mistral.
- mrtranscendence 3y agoWell, they're not AI companies, necessarily, or at least not only AI companies, but the big hardware firms tend to have engineers at the helm. That includes Nvidia, AMD, and Intel. (Counterpoint: Apple)
- coeneedell 3y agoCounter counter point: apples hardware division has been doing great work in the last 5 years, it’s their software that seems to have gone off the rails (in my opinion).
- radlad 3y agoI'm not sure how this is a counter-point to the allegation that Tim Cook isn't really an engineer.
- waffletower 3y agoTim Cook is probably the greatest CFO any company could know. But Apple's capital is vastly squandered with Tim as CEO.
- paxys 3y agoCOO, not CFO. He is a supply chain/manufacturing/operations guy.
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- graeme 3y agoIf you combine engineer mindset, business acumen, relentless drive and do so over decades, you can get outsized results. It's a thing to admire, *even if you dislike the products*. Much the same as you can be awed by Ray Kroc's execution regardless of whether you like McDonald's or what you think of him personally. It simply isn't that common to have that combination of talents at work on one thing at such scale for so long. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates had the same combo of really being down in the details despite reaching such heights. You can contrast to Google, a company whose founders had similar traits but who got tired of it. Totally understandable, but it makes a difference in terms of the focus of google today. Again this is true regardless of what you think of Meta on, say, privacy vs. Google's original "Don't be Evil" idea. Saying "wow they still have engineering leadership" is hardly worship. It's a statement of fact.
- axus 3y agoI'm happy that he's pouring money into the metaverse, and glad that it's not my money.
- projectileboy 3y agoAnyone who made it through CS 121 is an engineer for life.
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- a_wild_dandan 3y agoAlso, being open source adds phenomenal value for Meta: 1. It attracts the world's best academic talent, who deeply want their work shared. AI experts can join any company, so ones which commit to open AI have a huge advantage. 2. Having armies of SWEs contributing millions of free labor hours to test/fix/improve/expand your stuff is incredible. 3. The industry standardizes around their tech, driving down costs and dramatically improving compatibility/extensibility. 4. It creates immense goodwill with basically everyone. 5. Having open AI doesn't hurt their core business. If you're an AI company, giving away your only product isn't tenable (so far). If Meta's 405B model surpasses GPT-4 and Claude Opus as they expect, they release it for free, and (predictably) nothing awful happens -- just incredible unlocks for regular people like Llama 2 -- it'll make much of the industry look like complete clowns. Hiding their models with some pretext about safety, the alarmist alignment rhetoric, will crumble. Like...no, you zealously guard your models because you want to make money, and that's fine. But using some holier-than-thou "it's for your own good" public gaslighting is wildly inappropriate, paternalistic, and condescending. The 405B model will be an enormous middle finger to companies who literally won't even tell you how big their models are (because "safety", I guess). Here's a model better than all of yours, it's open for everyone to benefit from, and it didn't end the world. So go &%$# yourselves.
- eigenvalue 3y agoYes, I completely agree with every point you made. It’s going to be so satisfying when all the AI safety people realize that their attempts to cram this protectionist/alarmist control down our throats are all for nothing, because there is an even stronger model that is totally open weights, and you can never put the genie back in the bottle!
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- aqfamnzc 3y agoHopefully they aren't able to cram it down our legislators' throats... Seems that's what really matters
- stuckkeys 3y agoYeah. He did good.
- nmklnlknklnlk 3y agoNVidia, AMD, Microsoft?
- paxys 3y agoNvidia, maybe. Microsoft, definitely not. Nadella is a successful CEO but is as corporate as they come.
- Miraste 3y agoNadella has such practiced corporate-speak it's impressive. I went to a two-hour talk and Q&A he did, and he didn't communicate a single piece of real information over the whole session. It was entirely HR filler language, the whole time.
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- redbell 3y agoSomeone, somewhere on YT [1], coined the term Vanilla CEOs to describe non-tech-savvy CEOs, typically MBA graduates, who may struggle to innovate consistently. Unlike their tech-savvy counterparts, these CEOs tend to maintain the status quo rather than pursue bold visions for their companies.. 1. https://youtu.be/gD3RV8nMzh8 https://youtu.be/gD3RV8nMzh8
- ramesh31 3y ago>Every other big tech company has lost that kind of leadership. He really is the last man standing from the web 2.0 days. I would have never believed I'd say this 10 years ago, but we're really fortunate for it. The launch of Quest 3 last fall was such a breath of fresh air. To see a CEO actually legitimately excited about something, standing on stage and physically showing it off was like something out of a bygone era.
- m12k 3y agoBut also: Facebook/Meta got burned when they missed the train on owning a mobile platform, instead having to live in their competitors' houses and being vulnerable to de-platforming on mobile. So they've invested massively in trying to make VR the next big thing to get out from that precarious position, or maybe even to get to own the next big platform after mobile (so far with little to actually show for it at a strategic level). Anyways, what we're now seeing is this mindset reflected in a new way with LLMs - Meta would rather that the next big thing belongs to everybody, than to a competitor. I'm really glad they've taken that approach, but I wouldn't delude myself that it's all hacker-mentality altruism, and not a fair bit of strategic cynicism at work here too. If Zuck thought he could "own" LLMs and make them a walled garden, I'm sure he would, but the ship already sailed on developing a moat like that for anybody that's not OpenAI - now it's in Zuck's interest to get his competitor's moat bridged as fast as possible.
- jimbokun 3y agoSimilarly to Google keeping Android open source, so that Apple wouldn’t completely control the phone market.
- nalekberov 3y agoIn fact Google doesn't care much if Apple controls the entire mobile phone market, Android is just guaranteed way of acquiring new users. Now they are paying yearly around $19 billion Apple to be default search engine, I expect without Android this price would be times more.
- abkolan 3y ago> now it's in Zuck's interest to get his competitor's moat bridged as fast as possible. It's this, and by making it open and available on every cloud out there would make this accessible to other start ups who might play in Meta's competitor's spaces.
- firecall 3y agoApple being the most egregious example IMHO. Purely my opinion as a long time Apple fan, but I cant help but think that Tim Cook's polices are harming the Apple brand in ways that we wont see for a few years. Much like Balmer did at Microsoft. But who knows - I'm just making conversation :-)
- bionhoward 3y agoAre you joking? “ v. You will not use the Llama Materials or any output or results of the Llama Materials to improve any other large language model (excluding Llama 2 or derivative works thereof). “ is no sign of a strong engineering culture, it’s a sign of greed.
- cush 3y agoThis is both their biggest strength and weakness