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> Meta AI isn't available yet in your country Where is it available? I got this in Norway.
by matsemann 3y ago
> Meta AI isn't available yet in your country
Where is it available? I got this in Norway.
- niek_pas 3y agoGot the same in the Netherlands.
- flemhans 3y agoProbably the EU laws are getting too draconian. I'm starting to see it a lot.
- sa-code 3y agoEU actually has the opposite of draconian privacy laws. It's more that meta doesn't have a business model if they don't intrude on your privacy
- mrtranscendence 3y agoWell, exactly, and that's why IMO they'll end up pulling out the EU. There's barely any money in non-targeted ads.
- sebastiennight 3y agoIf by "barely any money", you mean "all the businesses in the EU will still give you all their money as long as you've got eyeballs", then yes.
- ben_w 3y agoFacebook has shown me ads for both dick pills and breast surgery, for hyper-local events in town in a country I don't live in, and for a lawyer who specialises in renouncing a citizenship I don't have. At this point, I think paying Facebook to advertise is a waste of money — the actual spam in my junk email folder is better targeted.
- latexr 3y ago> IMO they'll end up pulling out the EU. If only we’d be so lucky. I don’t thing they will, but fingers crossed.
- extraduder_ire 3y agoIf it's more money than it costs to operate, I doubt it. There's plenty of businesses in the EU buying ads and page promotion still.
- zmmmmm 3y agoThey just said laws, not privacy - the EU has introduced the "world's first comprehensive AI law". Even if it doesn't stop release of these models, it might be enough that the lawyers need extra time to review and sign off that it can be used without Meta getting one of those "7% of worldwide revenue" type fines the EU is fond of. [0] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topics/en/article/20230601STO93804/eu-ai-act-first-regulation-on-artificial-intelligence https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topics/en/article/20230601STO...
- taneq 3y agoAm I reading that right? It sounds like they’re outlawing advertising (“Cognitive behavioural manipulation of people”), credit scores (“classifying people based on behaviour, socio-economic status or personal characteristics”) and fingerprint/facial recognition for phone unlocking etc. (“Biometric identification and categorisation of people”) Maybe they mean specific uses of these things in a centralised manner but the way it’s written makes it sound incredibly broad.
- schleck8 3y ago> the EU laws are getting too draconian You also said that when Meta delayed the Threads release by a few weeks in the EU. I recommend reading the princess on a pea fairytale since you seem to be quite sheltered, using the term draconian as liberally.
- sunaookami 3y ago>a few weeks July to December is not "a few weeks"
- stareatgoats 3y agoClaude has the same restriction [0], the whole of Europe (except Albania) is excluded. Somehow I don't think it is a retaliation against Europe for fining Meta and Google. I could be wrong, but a business decision seems more likely, like keeping usage down to a manageable level in an initial phase. Still, curious to understand why, should anyone here know more. [0] https://www.anthropic.com/claude-ai-locations https://www.anthropic.com/claude-ai-locations
- hanspeter 3y agoIt's because of regulations! The same reason that Threads was launched with a delay in EU. It simply takes a lot of work to comply with EU regulations, and by no surprise will we see these launches happen outside of EU first.
- viraptor 3y agoIt's trivial to comply with EU privacy regulation if you're not depending on selling customer data. But if you say "It's because of regulations!" I hope you have a source to back that up.
- mvkel 3y agoThat won't be true for much longer. The AI Act will significantly nerf the capabilities you will be allowed to benefit from in the eu.
- jokethrowaway 3y agoIt is because of regulations. Nothing is trivial and anything has a cost. Not only it impacts existing businesses, it also make it harder for a struggling new business to compete with the current leaders. Regulations in the name of the users are actually just made to solidify the top lobbyists in their positions. The reasons I hate regulations is not because billionaires have to spend an extra week on some employee's salary, but because it makes it impossible for me tiny business to enter a new business due to the sheer complexity of it (or force me to pay more for someone else to handle it, think Paddle vs Stripe thanks to EU VATMOSS) I'm completely fine with giving away some usage data to get a free product, it's not like everyone is against it. I'd also prefer to be tracked without having to close 800 pop-ups a day. Draconian regulations like the EU ones destroy entire markets and force us to a single business model where we all need to pay with hard cash.
- Draiken 3y agoMeta (and other privacy exploiting companies) have to actually... care? Even if it's just a bit more. Nothing draconian about it.
- kreddor 3y agoGot the same in Denmark
- schleck8 3y agoJust use the Replicate demo instead, you can even alter the inference parameters https://llama3.replicate.dev/ https://llama3.replicate.dev/ Or run a jupyter notebook from Unsloth on Colab https://huggingface.co/unsloth/llama-3-8b-bnb-4bit https://huggingface.co/unsloth/llama-3-8b-bnb-4bit
- sunaookami 3y agoThis version doesn't have web search and the image creation though.
- schleck8 3y agoThe image creation isn't Llama 3, it's not multimodal yet. And the web search is Google and Bing API calls so just use Copilot or Perplexity.
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- kleiba 3y agoWhat a silly, provocative comparison. China is a suppressive state that strives to control its citizens while the EU privacy protection laws are put in place to protect citizens. If you cannot access websites from "the free world" because of these laws, it means that the providers of said websites are threatening your freedom, not providing it.
- dheera 3y ago> China is a suppressive state that strives to control its citizens China's central government also believes it is protecting its citizens. > while the EU privacy protection laws are put in place to protect citizens The fact that they CAN exert so much power on information access in the name of "protection" is a bad precedent, and opens the door to future, less-benevolent authoritarian leadership being formed. (Even if you think they are protecting their citizens now, I actually disagree; blocking access to AI isn't protecting its citizens, it's handicapping them in the face of a rapidly-advancing world economy.)
- Rexxar 3y ago> The fact that they CAN exert so much power on information access in They don't have any power on information access. They just require their citizen can decide what you do with it. There is no central system where information is stored that can be used in future by authoritarian leadership. But the information stored about American by American companies can be use in such a way if there one day an authoritarian leadership in America.
- glenstein 3y ago>China's central government also believes it is protecting its citizens. Anyone who's taking a course in epistemology can tell you that there's more to assessing veracity of a belief than noting its equivalence to other beliefs. There can be symmetry in psychology without symmetry in underlying facts. So noting an equivalence of belief is not enough to establish an equivalence in fact. I'm not even saying I'm for or against the EU's choices but I think the purpose of analogies to China is kind of rhetorical purpose of warning or a comparison intended to reflect negatively on the EU. I find it hard to imagine one would make a straight faced case that they are in fact equivalent in scope or scale or ambition or equivalent and their idea of the relation of their mission to their values for core liberties. I think the difference is here are clear enough that reasonable people should be able to make the case against AI regulation without losing grasp of the distinction between European and Chinese regulatory frameworks.
- sunaookami 3y ago>We’re rolling out Meta AI in English in more than a dozen countries outside of the US. Now, people will have access to Meta AI in Australia, Canada, Ghana, Jamaica, Malawi, New Zealand, Nigeria, Pakistan, Singapore, South Africa, Uganda, Zambia and Zimbabwe — and we’re just getting started. https://about.fb.com/news/2024/04/meta-ai-assistant-built-with-llama-3/ https://about.fb.com/news/2024/04/meta-ai-assistant-built-wi...
- realce 3y agoThat's a strange list of nations, isn't it? I wonder what their logic is.
- urbandw311er 3y agoNo EU initially - I think this is the same with Gemini 1.5 Pro too. I believe it’s to do with the various legal restrictions around AI which iirc take a few weeks.
- wyh171701 3y agoyes, china is too
- gliched_robot 3y agoGPU server locations, maybe?
- namibj 3y agoLLM chat is so compute heavy and not bandwidth heavy that anywhere with reliable fiber and cheap electricity is suitable. Ping is lower than average keystroke delay for most who haven't undergone explicit speed typing training (we're talking 60~120 WPM for between intercontinental to pathological (other end of the world) servers). Bandwidth matters a bit more for multimodal interaction, but it's still rather minor.
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- dom96 3y agoThis is so frustrating. Why don't they just make it available everywhere?
- reisse 3y agoI'm always glad at these rare moments when EU or American people can get a glimpse of a life outside the first world countries.
- user_7832 3y agoI'd call that the "anywhere but US" phenomena. Pretty much 100% of the times I see any "deals"/promotions or whatnot on my google feed, it's US based. Unfortunately I live nowhere near to the continent.
- murderfs 3y agoBecause the EU requires them not to: https://ec.europa.eu/information_society/newsroom/image/document/2021-17/ai_lifecycle_visual_7FC0D14E-A775-A92E-DE5A38FDB7C238EB_75759.jpg https://ec.europa.eu/information_society/newsroom/image/docu...
- int_19h 3y agoThis says "high-risk AI system", which is defined here: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/regulatory-framework-ai https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/regulatory.... I don't see why it would be applicable.
- murderfs 3y agoThe text of the law says that the actual criteria can change to be whatever they think is scary: As regards stand-alone AI systems, namely high-risk AI systems other than those that are safety components of products, or that are themselves products, it is appropriate to classify them as high-risk if, in light of their intended purpose, they pose a high risk of harm to the health and safety or the fundamental rights of persons, taking into account both the severity of the possible harm and its probability of occurrence and they are used in a number of specifically pre-defined areas specified in this Regulation. The identification of those systems is based on the same methodology and criteria envisaged also for any future amendments of the list of high-risk AI systems that the Commission should be empowered to adopt, via delegated acts, to take into account the rapid pace of technological development, as well as the potential changes in the use of AI systems. And there's also a section about systemic risks, which llama definitely falls into, and which mandates that they go through basically the same process, with offices and panels that do not yet exist: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_21_1683#:~:text=In%20addition%2C%20some%20of%20these%20models%20could%20pose%20systemic%20risks%2C%20because%20they%20are%20very%20capable%20or%20widely%20used https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_....
- miohtama 3y agoThe EU does not want you to have the AI.
- ks2048 3y agoEveryone saying it's an EU problem. Same message in Guatemala.
- sunny-beast 3y agoAnakin AI has Llama 3 models available right now: https://app.anakin.ai/ https://app.anakin.ai/