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lovely how they aren't testing for pesticides - yet

shiroiushi 3y ago
Why would they? Remember, this is Florida, the place where they banned local laws requiring heat-protection measures for outdoor workers. Expect things to get worse, much much worse.
- decremental 3y ago
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- ineedaj0b 3y ago
  If it’s hot, go under some shade. Why should there be a law. Should we mandate showers for government employees next?
  - shiroiushi 3y ago
    I see we have a Florida voter here.
    - ineedaj0b 3y ago
      Each state is an experiment. The results we all watch with interest. Florida is Faustian independence. Let me enjoy my meth in peace
      - picadores 3y ago
        Would be okay, if it wasn't required to be subsidized by california via the state- and the result of the failed experiments be parked at other peoples doorsteps (as greyhound homeless or superfund sites) all the time.
        DiggyJohnson 3y ago
        In what way is California subsidizing Florida? These are two of the richest states in the country, mind you.
        TeaBrain 3y ago
        They are referring to how California residents contribute more in federal tax dollars than they get back, making it a donor state. Florida gets more federal dollars than the residents contribute, which did surprise me, but it appears to be the case. However, it is not necessarily California residents subsidizing Florida. The residents of New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts all contribute a significantly greater positive balance in federal taxes than do residents of California.
        shrimp_emoji 3y ago
        All the red states (except Texas) are a Federal drain generally, not just Florida.
        TeaBrain 3y ago
        The top donor states do vote blue, but I'm not certain this is a causal factor in the strength of their economy. The consistent donor states of Texas, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and California have all had strong economies for the last century regardless of who has been in power.
        shiroiushi 3y ago
        Those donor states, except Texas, have strong economies because they're basically where smart people are concentrated: those states all have premier universities, and various industries (like tech in CA, pharma in NJ, finance in NY, etc.) that depend on highly-educated "knowledge workers". Texas is rich because of natural resources (energy) mainly. Because smarter people have migrated to these states, they vote Blue, because the Red party these days is basically the party of anti-science, uneducated religious nuts. University graduates overwhelmingly vote Blue in the US. (Also, there's a high inverse correlation between education and religiosity.) Keep in mind, it wasn't always this way: not that long ago, the Republican party was the party of fiscally-conservative pro-business and other upper-class people (and the Democratic party was the pro-labor and other generally lower-class party), so these states frequently swung Red. Not any more.
      - Zenzero 3y ago
        Florida offers a compelling argument for interstate conservatorship.
      - shrimp_emoji 3y ago
        Hardly. Florida has a lot of overregulation and tedious laws too, which I take as a grim reminder of how much "libertarian freedom" has eroded as an ideal (which, if it existed anywhere, it existed and exists most in America).
  - AdamN 3y ago
    You've lived a life of privilege.
    - ineedaj0b 3y ago
      I roofed for a summer in FL. You wear long sleeves and a hat. You switch off every 30 mins from 11:30 to 3:30. YOU most likely have lived a coddled life. Roofing is hard but buddy everyone took precautions or quit (didn’t last the season). No manager forces dudes up on the roof, he knows it’s hot up there too. No one can force you up the ladder. If a boss got to demanding the crew would fistfight him or quit or refuse. If he was that bad his manager would fire him. This is not a problem, working in the heat. Frankly - which I guess you wouldn’t clue into because you never worked roofing in Florida - I would bet the rule was meant to hamstring the Mexican crews so more white crews could get their work. The Mexican teams have more people (they pay less, and work faster - they switch off more often). Enact this rule and NOW you can send someone to the job site to harass and even arrest the Mexican teams who are usually not all legal. So you get to deport a Mexican roofer who if we deport any illegal, these are the most hardworking guys. But nope everyone reads this as a ‘working conditions’ thing when it’s really a ‘let slower, higher charging white crews get more work’ because politics breaks everyones brains. And second order effects elude the majority
      - llamaimperative 3y ago
        It’s interesting how in your other comment you’re saying “whoa whoa won’t anyone think of the illegals who are working hard to avoid deportation” and then here, “no one can force you up the ladder.” Gymnastics to keep letting highly coercible people do dangerous jobs.
        ineedaj0b 3y ago
        the Mexican teams are going up the ladders on their own. They are more like families frankly. The white teams are full of guys who quit all the time or don’t show up. Getting on a roof is dangerous but so is sitting at a keyboard for 8hrs a day. I fully, for revenge, support regulation that unless you get up every 30 mins from your posh coding job and take a 15 min break your employer is fined. That’s a great law right?I get to tell you what to do because I’m benevolent and not short sighted, because me and my viewpoint is never evil. I’m clearly being good and nice! Btw if you go to the gym, you’ll feel sore. So I deeply suggest don’t go to the gym! Avoid the pain, I’m a nice guy I vote a certain way and think only good thoughts I’m worried about you and I don’t want you working in a gym (gyms are dangerous, people have been hurt there). I’ll use rhetoric that makes me deftly defendable because we’re talking past each other.
  - Zenzero 3y ago
    Yes, all of those roofers should just work under all of the shade up there. > Should we mandate showers for government employees next? I see zero relevance between your comment and the issue of ensuring minimal safety for human beings. Regulations on heat protection for workers is so they literally do not die. Your demonstration of shockingly low empathy for other people is disgraceful and has no place in modern society.
    - ineedaj0b 3y ago
      I roofed in FL for an entire summer. The guys aren’t dumb. The biggest benefit would be drug addiction counseling for them. The real point of the law was to hurt the Mexican crews. The Hispanic crews are weary of getting reported and deported for anything, they work faster, cheaper, and underbid the white crews. So enact the law, and the larger Spanish crews suddenly have a reason to be examined. The Spanish/Mexican crews have larger teams and pay everyone less so they rotate the guys more. Add a law of mandatory breaks plus an inspector and finally the white crews can keep up! This noble law was smartly planned a phrased to appeal to your do good sensibilities but would hurt imo the hardest working illegals I’ve ever met.
      - Zenzero 3y ago
        I know this may sound crazy to you but stick with me. Step 1) Maintain laws mandating shade/heat protections for workers Step 2) Maintain sensible work visa and immigration policies so nobody has to harass people who are working. I know the second isn't a simple fix, but dismantling worker protections to solve political gamesmanship is not the solution.
        ineedaj0b 3y ago
        You want me to solve immigration? The white crews and Mexican crews are doing fine last I heard around mid 2023. Great money. The heat is not a problem. The ‘heat’ was an attempt to mess with the Mexican crews. I get that it’s bad many are illegal but most of the Americans who worked on a crew couldn’t handle the job and quit or drank, not because of the heat but from sleeping in, drinking, the pain from job, and the large amount of money they made and then made poor choices with. It’s a physically demanding job. The heat doesn’t matter, none of the guys stayed up top longer than 30 mins in full sun already because you sweat so much you can’t hold the nail gun well
Zenzero 3y ago
Florida's usual solution for undesirable thing X is to reduce testing for X.
- aszantu 3y ago
  that's a strategy :D thanks for the info

Why would they? Remember, this is Florida, the place where they banned local laws requiring heat-protection measures for outdoor workers. Expect things to get worse, much much worse.

decremental 3y ago
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ineedaj0b 3y ago
If it’s hot, go under some shade. Why should there be a law. Should we mandate showers for government employees next?
- shiroiushi 3y ago
  I see we have a Florida voter here.
  - ineedaj0b 3y ago
    Each state is an experiment. The results we all watch with interest. Florida is Faustian independence. Let me enjoy my meth in peace
    - picadores 3y ago
      Would be okay, if it wasn't required to be subsidized by california via the state- and the result of the failed experiments be parked at other peoples doorsteps (as greyhound homeless or superfund sites) all the time.
      - DiggyJohnson 3y ago
        In what way is California subsidizing Florida? These are two of the richest states in the country, mind you.
        TeaBrain 3y ago
        They are referring to how California residents contribute more in federal tax dollars than they get back, making it a donor state. Florida gets more federal dollars than the residents contribute, which did surprise me, but it appears to be the case. However, it is not necessarily California residents subsidizing Florida. The residents of New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts all contribute a significantly greater positive balance in federal taxes than do residents of California.
        shrimp_emoji 3y ago
        All the red states (except Texas) are a Federal drain generally, not just Florida.
        TeaBrain 3y ago
        The top donor states do vote blue, but I'm not certain this is a causal factor in the strength of their economy. The consistent donor states of Texas, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Connecticut, and California have all had strong economies for the last century regardless of who has been in power.
        shiroiushi 3y ago
        Those donor states, except Texas, have strong economies because they're basically where smart people are concentrated: those states all have premier universities, and various industries (like tech in CA, pharma in NJ, finance in NY, etc.) that depend on highly-educated "knowledge workers". Texas is rich because of natural resources (energy) mainly. Because smarter people have migrated to these states, they vote Blue, because the Red party these days is basically the party of anti-science, uneducated religious nuts. University graduates overwhelmingly vote Blue in the US. (Also, there's a high inverse correlation between education and religiosity.) Keep in mind, it wasn't always this way: not that long ago, the Republican party was the party of fiscally-conservative pro-business and other upper-class people (and the Democratic party was the pro-labor and other generally lower-class party), so these states frequently swung Red. Not any more.
    - Zenzero 3y ago
      Florida offers a compelling argument for interstate conservatorship.
    - shrimp_emoji 3y ago
      Hardly. Florida has a lot of overregulation and tedious laws too, which I take as a grim reminder of how much "libertarian freedom" has eroded as an ideal (which, if it existed anywhere, it existed and exists most in America).
- AdamN 3y ago
  You've lived a life of privilege.
  - ineedaj0b 3y ago
    I roofed for a summer in FL. You wear long sleeves and a hat. You switch off every 30 mins from 11:30 to 3:30. YOU most likely have lived a coddled life. Roofing is hard but buddy everyone took precautions or quit (didn’t last the season). No manager forces dudes up on the roof, he knows it’s hot up there too. No one can force you up the ladder. If a boss got to demanding the crew would fistfight him or quit or refuse. If he was that bad his manager would fire him. This is not a problem, working in the heat. Frankly - which I guess you wouldn’t clue into because you never worked roofing in Florida - I would bet the rule was meant to hamstring the Mexican crews so more white crews could get their work. The Mexican teams have more people (they pay less, and work faster - they switch off more often). Enact this rule and NOW you can send someone to the job site to harass and even arrest the Mexican teams who are usually not all legal. So you get to deport a Mexican roofer who if we deport any illegal, these are the most hardworking guys. But nope everyone reads this as a ‘working conditions’ thing when it’s really a ‘let slower, higher charging white crews get more work’ because politics breaks everyones brains. And second order effects elude the majority
    - llamaimperative 3y ago
      It’s interesting how in your other comment you’re saying “whoa whoa won’t anyone think of the illegals who are working hard to avoid deportation” and then here, “no one can force you up the ladder.” Gymnastics to keep letting highly coercible people do dangerous jobs.
      - ineedaj0b 3y ago
        the Mexican teams are going up the ladders on their own. They are more like families frankly. The white teams are full of guys who quit all the time or don’t show up. Getting on a roof is dangerous but so is sitting at a keyboard for 8hrs a day. I fully, for revenge, support regulation that unless you get up every 30 mins from your posh coding job and take a 15 min break your employer is fined. That’s a great law right?I get to tell you what to do because I’m benevolent and not short sighted, because me and my viewpoint is never evil. I’m clearly being good and nice! Btw if you go to the gym, you’ll feel sore. So I deeply suggest don’t go to the gym! Avoid the pain, I’m a nice guy I vote a certain way and think only good thoughts I’m worried about you and I don’t want you working in a gym (gyms are dangerous, people have been hurt there). I’ll use rhetoric that makes me deftly defendable because we’re talking past each other.
- Zenzero 3y ago
  Yes, all of those roofers should just work under all of the shade up there. > Should we mandate showers for government employees next? I see zero relevance between your comment and the issue of ensuring minimal safety for human beings. Regulations on heat protection for workers is so they literally do not die. Your demonstration of shockingly low empathy for other people is disgraceful and has no place in modern society.
  - ineedaj0b 3y ago
    I roofed in FL for an entire summer. The guys aren’t dumb. The biggest benefit would be drug addiction counseling for them. The real point of the law was to hurt the Mexican crews. The Hispanic crews are weary of getting reported and deported for anything, they work faster, cheaper, and underbid the white crews. So enact the law, and the larger Spanish crews suddenly have a reason to be examined. The Spanish/Mexican crews have larger teams and pay everyone less so they rotate the guys more. Add a law of mandatory breaks plus an inspector and finally the white crews can keep up! This noble law was smartly planned a phrased to appeal to your do good sensibilities but would hurt imo the hardest working illegals I’ve ever met.
    - Zenzero 3y ago
      I know this may sound crazy to you but stick with me. Step 1) Maintain laws mandating shade/heat protections for workers Step 2) Maintain sensible work visa and immigration policies so nobody has to harass people who are working. I know the second isn't a simple fix, but dismantling worker protections to solve political gamesmanship is not the solution.
      - ineedaj0b 3y ago
        You want me to solve immigration? The white crews and Mexican crews are doing fine last I heard around mid 2023. Great money. The heat is not a problem. The ‘heat’ was an attempt to mess with the Mexican crews. I get that it’s bad many are illegal but most of the Americans who worked on a crew couldn’t handle the job and quit or drank, not because of the heat but from sleeping in, drinking, the pain from job, and the large amount of money they made and then made poor choices with. It’s a physically demanding job. The heat doesn’t matter, none of the guys stayed up top longer than 30 mins in full sun already because you sweat so much you can’t hold the nail gun well

Zenzero 3y ago

Florida's usual solution for undesirable thing X is to reduce testing for X.

aszantu 3y ago
that's a strategy :D thanks for the info