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Firefox 125

216 points by N19PEDL2 3y ago

azinman2 3y ago
> Firefox now prompts users in the US and Canada to save their addresses upon submitting an address form, allowing Firefox to autofill stored address information in the future. Seems odd this is just coming now in 2024?
- eyelidlessness 3y ago
  I don’t use Firefox often outside of cross browser testing, and this initially surprised me a little too. But as a software developer, my second thought was “well yeah, there are probably thousands of potential features like that which they will or won’t get to eventually, like basically every other software project”.
- alostsock 3y ago
  It's had autofill, I think just the prompt is new?
- sp332 3y ago
  It's been a feature for years, so I don't know what the announcement is about. E.g. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1267609 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1267609
- mvdtnz 3y ago
  Firefox still won't remember and autofill my credit cards even though I know it's a feature they offer in other countries, it's a feature offered in my country by other browsers and it's even a feature they mistakenly expose in the settings page of some but not all of their browsers (mobile only, if I remember right), despite not working.
- inferiorhuman 3y ago
  What would be really nice is the ability to clear form data separate from search history. Even better would be the ability to disable saving form data while saving search history. e.g. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1167882 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1167882
- aprilnya 3y ago
  protip: you can enable this in other countries through some options in about:config https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Features/Form_Autofill https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Features/Form_Autofill
calvinmorrison 3y ago
> Firefox now more proactively blocks downloads from URLs that are considered to be potentially untrustworthy. Firefox sends all your download Requests to a 3rd party source then?
- bink 3y ago
  More likely it either keeps a local copy of the DB or sends a hash.
- smodo 3y ago
  They could just pass the browser a blocklist?
- cassianoleal 3y ago
  I would imagine it syncs down block lists rather than checking each download with a 3rd party.
- jonchang 3y ago
  You'll be interested to know that Safe Browsing was introduced in Firefox 2 in 2006, and the malware check feature was introduced in 2014! I suggest you search using your favorite search engine to see how this feature works while also preserving the privacy of your URLs and downloads. It uses hashing! Here's a good link, I suggest you scroll down to the Privacy section and read carefully: https://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/how-safe-browsing-works-in-firefox/ https://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/how-safe-browsing-works-...
  - ptx 3y ago
    Yes, but the phrasing about being "more proactive" seems to suggest that perhaps this approach has now been adjusted. However, according to Bugzilla [0] it seems to be about blocking HTTP downloads on all pages compared to previously only blocking HTTP downloads on HTTPS pages, and then someone tweaked the wording to add the sinister-sounding part about being "more proactive". [0] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1877195#c12 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1877195#c12
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widdershins 3y ago
After updating (from 124) I saw this message, although it wasn't in the release notes: > With this latest version of Firefox, you’ll experience 25% quicker on-average page loads, which means more all-around zippiness anywhere you go online. Any details on how this performance improvement was acheived?
- wetpaws 3y ago
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- akshayKMR 3y ago
  > Firefox is, on-average, 25% quicker with page loads than it was last year – and it was pretty fast then, too Is the copy I saw on update. Suggests incremental wins over the year rather than all in this release.
  - godelski 3y ago
    That's probably a good note though. If you're a FF user these gains probably won't be noticed because your window shifts to keep up (just like it is hard to see improvements in yourself because day to day gains might be small but add up over time). But if you aren't a FF user, this is quite the speedup and might be enticing enough to get you to try it again. Because there's still a general belief that FF is slow.
  - boyaka 3y ago
    Anecdote: Firefox (124) has become unusable for me on Arch Linux. Highly resource intensive applications (particularly including video streaming, even worse with camera / webrtc) consume way more CPU resources to the point of my laptop lagging out. I don't remember the exact versions, but I upgraded to 124 earlier this month. Brave works great for video streaming, but breaks applications I use. Firefox development (125) also breaks some applications I use, and has the same performance issues as regular firefox. The fan on my laptop has been broken for most of this year (replaced due to first fan making noise, but havent had time to figure out why the replacement stopped working). I have been running with all high performance CPU features disabled in the BIOS for years with the purpose of not using the fan anyways, and it has been working great with 1 or 2 intensive applications max running in firefox (and as much other low intensity stuff that basically doesn't consume much resource such as another browser - chromium, vscode, my development environment including a vm). I don't currently really have any conclusive idea about what's going on. I will have to start using my desktop, fixing issues with my laptop, and do some more testing out of my workloads. Overall I'm just getting the feeling that something is horribly wrong with Firefox.
zeotroph 3y ago
Firefox View slowly getting more features, nice. I hope one day it supports the very real use case of using/abusing browser tabs as bookmarks. I know I am not the only one who keeps lots of windows with currently almost 100 tabs open. Windows represent certain topics, which I finish in a day, in in months, or sometimes never - but still they re-open everytime I open Firefox. I know there are add-ons to help with "tab overflow", but native support would be better.
- spuzz 3y ago
  I hope it never optimizes around this. There are a million ways to organize information and "leaving it all over the fuckin place in case I ever need it" is not an organization method, it's the absence of one. Then again I do love seeing people have fifteen million tabs open, it helps me set my expectations about what they can handle.
  - ziddoap 3y ago
    >Then again I do love seeing people have fifteen million tabs open, it helps me set my expectations about what they can handle. What do you mean by this? Are you implying they can't handle something? Or can? And how did you come to that conclusion?
  - eviks 3y ago
    How come 'Windows represent certain topics' didn't fit the million?
- causi 3y ago
  People wouldn't have to do that if they implemented "progressive bookmarks". I want to be able to bookmark a top-level web page and then later when I click the bookmark go back to the last page I was on, on that site.
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- enriquto 3y ago
nahtnam 3y ago
> We’re still preparing the notes for this release, and will post them here when they are ready. Please check back later. Seems like people are getting the release notes from somewhere else (presumably from in app). Could someone share it here?
- mondobe 3y ago
  Archived here: http://web.archive.org/web/20240416154930/https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/125.0.1/releasenotes/ http://web.archive.org/web/20240416154930/https://www.mozill... Tried it on Edge, the page loaded fine. Maybe it was just a server/caching hiccup.
hysan 3y ago
I tried switching back to Firefox to take advantage of their multi account containers, but there were a couple of UX things that kept me from sticking with it: - still no way to remap Ctrl+T to open a new tab in the current container context - lack of native tab grouping, meaning that it works with plugins like OneTab - vertical tabs that play nicely (meaning integrates nicely so that the UX feels good) with some sort of separation feature, for example, tab groups, workspaces, profiles, etc. Leaving this up to extensions seems to lead to a suboptimal experience here. Very willing to try suggestions as I’ve spent days testing every other browser to compare (Chrome, Edge, Brave, Vivaldi, Arc, Floorp, Orion, etc) with Safari being my current default. Surprisingly, Edge has the nicest vertical tab implementation so far.
- morsch 3y ago
  Have you tried the Sidebery vertical tabs extension for Firefox? https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery
  - squigz 3y ago
    Sidebery comes up a lot, but I've been using Tree Style Tab [0] for many years without issue. Does Sidebery offer anything TST doesn't? https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab
    - HelloMcFly 3y ago
      Sidebery has a form of Tab Groups called panels (see: https://imgur.com/Za9lwej https://imgur.com/Za9lwej) that are built into the functionality. I also have just found Sidebery to work a little better than any of the alternatives. But they're not too far apart.
      - squigz 3y ago
        TST is a hierarchy as well, so you can have children, and you can create groups (folders) too (Not trying to crap on Sidebery at all; just checking the differences :) Edit: Oh, are you referring to those icons at the very top of the tabs? If so, that is sort of neat indeed
presbyterian 3y ago
Still no swipe to change tabs on iOS, which makes it a non-starter on that platform for me, and a browser I can't use on every device can't be my primary browser. Bummer, because I really want to use Firefox.
- AiAi 3y ago
  I also miss this feature, I hope they have that on their roadmap. But the whole UI is kinda janky to me, sometimes it flashes when I'm interacting with it, and the closing tab gesture seems to have a sensitivity issue, sometimes I try to close a tab, and it doesn't close because I didn't swipe enough.
- freedomben 3y ago
  I recognize that you aren't placing any (explicit at least) blame here, simply stating facts, so I want to make clear that what I'm saying is simply an addition to your comment, not a refutation. Is it really surprising that iOS isn't an important target for Firefox, given that Apple's draconian rules don't allow them to do much? If we're going to assign responsibility for this, I think Apple is who deserves (at least most of) it. Given the major (artificial) impediments imposed by the gatekeeper of the platform, were I in their shoes I would never invest scarce dollars into such a risky undertaking where there is a hostile* and extremely powerful overseer. *To be clear, I mean hostile to 3rd party browsers, such as Firefox
ekns 3y ago
Wow, that's a lot of security fixes. If there were so many security bugs, that would suggest that there's a lot more still to be found. Probably going to look into sandboxing the browser much more in the future...
dsign 3y ago
> Firefox now more proactively blocks downloads from URLs that are considered to be potentially untrustworthy. I got a hit yesterday from a plugin I wanted to download from blendermarket. After fiddling with Firefox, I downloaded the plugin. It had a binary component that I audited with several anti-virus programs. The rest was Python code, that I also audited. No auditing found anything suspicious. Yes, there is such a thing as malicious binaries in places, but I would like to know more about how Firefox is deciding to flag download links. Is it AI working on generic signals? If Americans can carry guns, while does Firefox doesn’t let me download things? A warning about “our foxy algorithm doesn’t like this egg” would be okay, but blocking the download and forcing the user to jump through hoops is flat disrespectful.
- kbenson 3y ago
  > If Americans can carry guns, while does Firefox doesn’t let me download things? I'm almost afraid to ask the reasoning behind this, but to go out on a limb and assume I understand your question accurately, because one is a constitutional right of citizens protected by the government and the other is a private company making a judgement call and you're opting into their reasoning by using their product? Regardless of whether you agree with the specifics of either of them or whether they are good choices or systems, they have nothing to do with each other, at all.
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2-3-7-43-1807 3y ago
there's one and only one feature that i care about ... ... borders between tabs.
rukshn 3y ago
I really wish they change the UI and give me space as the tabs and the address bar takes lot of real estate. Let it be vertical tabs or smaller tabs like chromium
trog 3y ago
Hmm, can you disable the av1 support? I use Firefox on streaming services specifically because it uses an older codec which is easy to capture video clips from in OBS
- ffpip 3y ago
  about:config in URL bar -> Search media.av1.enabled -> toggle to false
  - trog 3y ago
    Thanks!
lousken 3y ago
> Users of tab-specific Container add-ons can now search in the Address Bar for tabs that are open in different containers. many thanks to @atararx, the search is finally useable for me!
AngryOldMan1 2y ago
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216 points by N19PEDL2 3y ago

> Firefox now prompts users in the US and Canada to save their addresses upon submitting an address form, allowing Firefox to autofill stored address information in the future. Seems odd this is just coming now in 2024?

eyelidlessness 3y ago
I don’t use Firefox often outside of cross browser testing, and this initially surprised me a little too. But as a software developer, my second thought was “well yeah, there are probably thousands of potential features like that which they will or won’t get to eventually, like basically every other software project”.
alostsock 3y ago
It's had autofill, I think just the prompt is new?
sp332 3y ago
It's been a feature for years, so I don't know what the announcement is about. E.g. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1267609 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1267609
mvdtnz 3y ago
Firefox still won't remember and autofill my credit cards even though I know it's a feature they offer in other countries, it's a feature offered in my country by other browsers and it's even a feature they mistakenly expose in the settings page of some but not all of their browsers (mobile only, if I remember right), despite not working.
inferiorhuman 3y ago
What would be really nice is the ability to clear form data separate from search history. Even better would be the ability to disable saving form data while saving search history. e.g. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1167882 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1167882
aprilnya 3y ago
protip: you can enable this in other countries through some options in about:config https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Features/Form_Autofill https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Features/Form_Autofill

calvinmorrison 3y ago

> Firefox now more proactively blocks downloads from URLs that are considered to be potentially untrustworthy. Firefox sends all your download Requests to a 3rd party source then?

bink 3y ago
More likely it either keeps a local copy of the DB or sends a hash.
smodo 3y ago
They could just pass the browser a blocklist?
cassianoleal 3y ago
I would imagine it syncs down block lists rather than checking each download with a 3rd party.
jonchang 3y ago
You'll be interested to know that Safe Browsing was introduced in Firefox 2 in 2006, and the malware check feature was introduced in 2014! I suggest you search using your favorite search engine to see how this feature works while also preserving the privacy of your URLs and downloads. It uses hashing! Here's a good link, I suggest you scroll down to the Privacy section and read carefully: https://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/how-safe-browsing-works-in-firefox/ https://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/how-safe-browsing-works-...
- ptx 3y ago
  Yes, but the phrasing about being "more proactive" seems to suggest that perhaps this approach has now been adjusted. However, according to Bugzilla [0] it seems to be about blocking HTTP downloads on all pages compared to previously only blocking HTTP downloads on HTTPS pages, and then someone tweaked the wording to add the sinister-sounding part about being "more proactive". [0] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1877195#c12 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1877195#c12
3y ago

widdershins 3y ago

After updating (from 124) I saw this message, although it wasn't in the release notes: > With this latest version of Firefox, you’ll experience 25% quicker on-average page loads, which means more all-around zippiness anywhere you go online. Any details on how this performance improvement was acheived?

wetpaws 3y ago
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akshayKMR 3y ago
> Firefox is, on-average, 25% quicker with page loads than it was last year – and it was pretty fast then, too Is the copy I saw on update. Suggests incremental wins over the year rather than all in this release.
- godelski 3y ago
  That's probably a good note though. If you're a FF user these gains probably won't be noticed because your window shifts to keep up (just like it is hard to see improvements in yourself because day to day gains might be small but add up over time). But if you aren't a FF user, this is quite the speedup and might be enticing enough to get you to try it again. Because there's still a general belief that FF is slow.
- boyaka 3y ago
  Anecdote: Firefox (124) has become unusable for me on Arch Linux. Highly resource intensive applications (particularly including video streaming, even worse with camera / webrtc) consume way more CPU resources to the point of my laptop lagging out. I don't remember the exact versions, but I upgraded to 124 earlier this month. Brave works great for video streaming, but breaks applications I use. Firefox development (125) also breaks some applications I use, and has the same performance issues as regular firefox. The fan on my laptop has been broken for most of this year (replaced due to first fan making noise, but havent had time to figure out why the replacement stopped working). I have been running with all high performance CPU features disabled in the BIOS for years with the purpose of not using the fan anyways, and it has been working great with 1 or 2 intensive applications max running in firefox (and as much other low intensity stuff that basically doesn't consume much resource such as another browser - chromium, vscode, my development environment including a vm). I don't currently really have any conclusive idea about what's going on. I will have to start using my desktop, fixing issues with my laptop, and do some more testing out of my workloads. Overall I'm just getting the feeling that something is horribly wrong with Firefox.

zeotroph 3y ago

Firefox View slowly getting more features, nice. I hope one day it supports the very real use case of using/abusing browser tabs as bookmarks. I know I am not the only one who keeps lots of windows with currently almost 100 tabs open. Windows represent certain topics, which I finish in a day, in in months, or sometimes never - but still they re-open everytime I open Firefox. I know there are add-ons to help with "tab overflow", but native support would be better.

spuzz 3y ago
I hope it never optimizes around this. There are a million ways to organize information and "leaving it all over the fuckin place in case I ever need it" is not an organization method, it's the absence of one. Then again I do love seeing people have fifteen million tabs open, it helps me set my expectations about what they can handle.
- ziddoap 3y ago
  >Then again I do love seeing people have fifteen million tabs open, it helps me set my expectations about what they can handle. What do you mean by this? Are you implying they can't handle something? Or can? And how did you come to that conclusion?
- eviks 3y ago
  How come 'Windows represent certain topics' didn't fit the million?
causi 3y ago
People wouldn't have to do that if they implemented "progressive bookmarks". I want to be able to bookmark a top-level web page and then later when I click the bookmark go back to the last page I was on, on that site.
- deleted 3y ago
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enriquto 3y ago

nahtnam 3y ago

> We’re still preparing the notes for this release, and will post them here when they are ready. Please check back later. Seems like people are getting the release notes from somewhere else (presumably from in app). Could someone share it here?

mondobe 3y ago
Archived here: http://web.archive.org/web/20240416154930/https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/125.0.1/releasenotes/ http://web.archive.org/web/20240416154930/https://www.mozill... Tried it on Edge, the page loaded fine. Maybe it was just a server/caching hiccup.

hysan 3y ago

I tried switching back to Firefox to take advantage of their multi account containers, but there were a couple of UX things that kept me from sticking with it: - still no way to remap Ctrl+T to open a new tab in the current container context - lack of native tab grouping, meaning that it works with plugins like OneTab - vertical tabs that play nicely (meaning integrates nicely so that the UX feels good) with some sort of separation feature, for example, tab groups, workspaces, profiles, etc. Leaving this up to extensions seems to lead to a suboptimal experience here. Very willing to try suggestions as I’ve spent days testing every other browser to compare (Chrome, Edge, Brave, Vivaldi, Arc, Floorp, Orion, etc) with Safari being my current default. Surprisingly, Edge has the nicest vertical tab implementation so far.

morsch 3y ago
Have you tried the Sidebery vertical tabs extension for Firefox? https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery
- squigz 3y ago
  Sidebery comes up a lot, but I've been using Tree Style Tab [0] for many years without issue. Does Sidebery offer anything TST doesn't? https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab
  - HelloMcFly 3y ago
    Sidebery has a form of Tab Groups called panels (see: https://imgur.com/Za9lwej https://imgur.com/Za9lwej) that are built into the functionality. I also have just found Sidebery to work a little better than any of the alternatives. But they're not too far apart.
    - squigz 3y ago
      TST is a hierarchy as well, so you can have children, and you can create groups (folders) too (Not trying to crap on Sidebery at all; just checking the differences :) Edit: Oh, are you referring to those icons at the very top of the tabs? If so, that is sort of neat indeed

presbyterian 3y ago

Still no swipe to change tabs on iOS, which makes it a non-starter on that platform for me, and a browser I can't use on every device can't be my primary browser. Bummer, because I really want to use Firefox.

AiAi 3y ago
I also miss this feature, I hope they have that on their roadmap. But the whole UI is kinda janky to me, sometimes it flashes when I'm interacting with it, and the closing tab gesture seems to have a sensitivity issue, sometimes I try to close a tab, and it doesn't close because I didn't swipe enough.
freedomben 3y ago
I recognize that you aren't placing any (explicit at least) blame here, simply stating facts, so I want to make clear that what I'm saying is simply an addition to your comment, not a refutation. Is it really surprising that iOS isn't an important target for Firefox, given that Apple's draconian rules don't allow them to do much? If we're going to assign responsibility for this, I think Apple is who deserves (at least most of) it. Given the major (artificial) impediments imposed by the gatekeeper of the platform, were I in their shoes I would never invest scarce dollars into such a risky undertaking where there is a hostile* and extremely powerful overseer. *To be clear, I mean hostile to 3rd party browsers, such as Firefox

ekns 3y ago

Wow, that's a lot of security fixes. If there were so many security bugs, that would suggest that there's a lot more still to be found. Probably going to look into sandboxing the browser much more in the future...

dsign 3y ago

> Firefox now more proactively blocks downloads from URLs that are considered to be potentially untrustworthy. I got a hit yesterday from a plugin I wanted to download from blendermarket. After fiddling with Firefox, I downloaded the plugin. It had a binary component that I audited with several anti-virus programs. The rest was Python code, that I also audited. No auditing found anything suspicious. Yes, there is such a thing as malicious binaries in places, but I would like to know more about how Firefox is deciding to flag download links. Is it AI working on generic signals? If Americans can carry guns, while does Firefox doesn’t let me download things? A warning about “our foxy algorithm doesn’t like this egg” would be okay, but blocking the download and forcing the user to jump through hoops is flat disrespectful.

kbenson 3y ago
> If Americans can carry guns, while does Firefox doesn’t let me download things? I'm almost afraid to ask the reasoning behind this, but to go out on a limb and assume I understand your question accurately, because one is a constitutional right of citizens protected by the government and the other is a private company making a judgement call and you're opting into their reasoning by using their product? Regardless of whether you agree with the specifics of either of them or whether they are good choices or systems, they have nothing to do with each other, at all.
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2-3-7-43-1807 3y ago

there's one and only one feature that i care about ... ... borders between tabs.

rukshn 3y ago

I really wish they change the UI and give me space as the tabs and the address bar takes lot of real estate. Let it be vertical tabs or smaller tabs like chromium

trog 3y ago

Hmm, can you disable the av1 support? I use Firefox on streaming services specifically because it uses an older codec which is easy to capture video clips from in OBS

ffpip 3y ago
about:config in URL bar -> Search media.av1.enabled -> toggle to false
- trog 3y ago
  Thanks!

lousken 3y ago

> Users of tab-specific Container add-ons can now search in the Address Bar for tabs that are open in different containers. many thanks to @atararx, the search is finally useable for me!

AngryOldMan1 2y ago

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