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One man's artistic wonderland, created in rental, gets protected status

131 points by keepamovin 3y ago

denton-scratch 3y ago
I wonder if the landlord was compensated. The costs associated with owning a listed building are much higher than if it's unlisted.
keepamovin 3y ago
Gawd so many neghead anti art comments here on this thread. Lighten up people! Or just stop and have a bit of humility...it's okay to not like or get something, but you don't have to pretend yours is the only possible view, nor that it's shit/awful/terrible and ruining everything. Just express it like a personal opinion. And it's far more interesting if you talk about why you reacted the way you did: what did you like? What did you dislike? Why? Why do you think it looks shit? How do you feel when you see it? That shit is gold interesting stuff! These overly neghead takes are not just boring, and often abusive in their presumption of absoluteness or open denigration of other's opinions -- they are not intellectually curious -- what this place is meant to be about. It's perfectly okay to have a negative reaction, but be more interesting and curious in your investigation of why you feel that way and clear in your expression of that. Or just don't say anything at all because you just bring this awful, dirty negativity. And it makes you look really bad. And I'm sure a lot of you are not like that. I want to know your negative take. But I want to know why beyond you expletives, pompous sweeping proclamations and abusive language against art/artists and other's opinions. Capiche?
galaxyofdoom 3y ago
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- hotdogscout 3y ago
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bitwize 3y ago
I thought this was gonna be about Darger, but no, it's about another eccentric, formally untrained artist with a secret hoard of self-created outsider art. Good. The world is a better place for having had more such people in it.
- spacecadet 3y ago
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- gambiting 3y ago
  >>The world is a better place for having had more such people in it. I don't know how to phrase it without it coming across as rude, but like......why? The dude was a hoarder who created a bunch of really mediocre if not downright ugly art in his own apartment. Which part of it exactly is making the world better?
  - keepamovin 3y ago
    Because not everybody thinks it's mediocre or downright ugly. You ain't the whole world, your personal judgements are not absolute truths that determine reality. So it's getting better for the people who enjoy it. Your negativity about it notwithstanding. To be precise: the part you're seemingly unable to appreciate is what's making the world better. I guess that's why you're on the grumpy side? Hahahaha! :)
    - gambiting 3y ago
      Is it really negativity to call this ugly? https://ibb.co/pfJSdxn https://ibb.co/pfJSdxn
      - keepamovin 3y ago
        Yeah, I think it is. Whether it's ugly or not is subjective, that's surely a negative judgement. But the point is the overall comment in the bad comments ones is vastly negative. It's just such a negative ugly attitude. You don't want to be around that: it's like being around an abusive person, a bully, someone who puts you down, mocks you, belittles you, diminishes you. Don't you see that kind of thing as something wrong, and to be avoided? That's what I'm against here. When I see that attitude in comments: I just think it's gratuitous negativity, there's no need for it. Not that it matters (as it should be obvious morally/ethically from a human point of view) but it's against the guidelines for Show too: https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html When something isn't good, you needn't pretend that it is, but don't be gratuitously negative.
Duanemclemore 3y ago
Absolutely amazing. Also reminds me a bit of James Hampton. https://americanart.si.edu/artwork/throne-third-heaven-nations-millennium-general-assembly-9897 https://americanart.si.edu/artwork/throne-third-heaven-natio...
- interestica 3y ago
  I had the exact same thought! I just saw this portion in DC earlier this year. You can get quite close to it.
rodgerd 3y ago
In a similar, but much more impressive vein for outside art: https://www.autour-du-palais-ideal.com/discover/ideal-palace-of-the-postman-cheval/the-history-of-the-ideal-palace/ https://www.autour-du-palais-ideal.com/discover/ideal-palace...
- keepamovin 3y ago
  Wow, that is amazing! Thanks for sharing. Never heard of that one. Huh, I wouldn't necessarily it's more impressive -- it could be hard to compare -- but they look quite similar in terms of technical aptitude, despite the differences in materials. Have you visited? I would love to visit! Haha! :)
  - rodgerd 3y ago
    I haven't had the chance to visit, sadly; I only learned about it from watching "The Ideal Palace" (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7248884/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7248884/) which helps understand the scale of the Palace.
djfergus 3y ago
The crowdfunded trust bought the building - wonder if it was sold at a premium (to reflect the value of the art) or a discount (to reflect the Grade II listing limitations).
lxe 3y ago
Risking to sound similar to that bottom down-voted comment, I want to gently introduce a view here that contrasts the sentiment of it being a "wonderland." This seems hardly something worth preserving given the artistic quality in my opinion. Yet, on the other hand, if it doesn't harm anyone and the trust indeed bought the apartment, then no harm in keeping this quirky place alive.
- sethammons 3y ago
  Another comment that is dead (i clicked vouch fwiw) linked to this as comparison, another house of art that was to be painted over but was apparently saved: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLyE3L8d/ https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLyE3L8d/ My jaw literally dropped open that someone would want to paint over it. I did not get that feeling looking at the pics in the article.
  - datavirtue 3y ago
    People are constantly slathering paint all over shit. Blows me away. Not only that, they will pile on layer after layer so as to build a crust that has no hope of being aesthetic ever again. Sometimes people with an IQ come along and remove the paint and everyone is flabbergasted at the beauty that was underneath. Sorry, I get triggered by naive paint slinging.
- krageon 3y ago
  Art is inherently subjective, and it gets protected status exactly because a lot of folks think like you.
- keepamovin 3y ago
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- parpfish 3y ago
  I think people like outside art because of its creation story moreso than the actual artistic artifacts
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hotdogscout 3y ago
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- keepamovin 3y ago
  This is cray seriously. It's so weird to see these "anti art" statements coming out. It's like from people who never stepped foot in an art gallery or been able to appreciate that. It's kind of sad that a whole aspect of human experience is cut off from you. Hahaha! :) It seems more like this self-important judgement that all art is trash is what's narcissistic: judging for everybody that what they like is crap -- pretty narcissistic - I guess you're just better than everyone? Hahaha! :) Do you realize how narrow and bitter you sound, in your own little grinchy anti-art world?
  - hotdogscout 3y ago
    I am not anti-art though, just like I'm not anti-narcissism. I think narcissism is a wonderful trait. I think art is a wonderful thing. Justice is frustrated vindictiveness and people have no free will but that doesn't mean I rage against the western judicial system.
    - keepamovin 3y ago
      Did you think that when you wrote the comment? When you say "move on" it seems like you don't think it's wonderful. When you say "deviant nature" it also sounds like you don't think it's wonderful. The dense thinking and unique perspective behind your brief comments makes them hard to parse for most people in the moment. They'd benefit from more exposition! I get you're embracing the shadow and encompassing things seen as negative to be free of them, this is positive I guess as long as it's not harmful. Contrarian viewpoint and likely to be misunderstood in a comment online, but I applaud your courage to say what you think! :) Alright, so to riff on it: In your framework, if I'm to speak within those bounds, if we're to make a connection between justice and vindictiveness I'd say: justice is formalized vindictiveness realized for catharsis and control, and hopefully, healing and remediation. People have no free will? I get if you feel that about yourself, but you can't impose that on others. It's abusive to try because then you don't see their agency. It's also a dangerous trap to believe, as you seem to free yourself from responsibility for your actions, potentially liberating yourself from any sense of accountability for hurting people. Or in a less nefarious mode, explain away any failures of yours by surrendering the idea that you have free will and can choose to make improvements. The idea of lack of free will I think is very suspicious and leads to disempowerment. But if I'm to try to parse your last sentence as you understand it: justice is bullshit, it's nobody's fault anyway but that doesn't mean I'm going to try to push back: I'm powerless and it would be futile but we need these things to prevent total chaos is that right? Also, you think narcissism is wonderful? "Wonderful" could be taken to mean "prompting wonder" and be value-neutral, so in that sense it could be a weasel word judgement disguised as a positive. But generally, wonderful means positive and good. But a definition of narcissism is: selfishness, involving a sense of entitlement, a lack of empathy, and a need for admiration, as characterizing a personality type -- you think that's good??? The picture I get from your comments is: you're being raw, expressing directly out of a deep well of your being and experience in an unfiltered way, you've been really hurt and betrayed and have found your peace about it, in part by acceptance with thinking 'nobody has responsibility' anyway, and you don't feel you can do anything about it so you just have to accept it.
mitjam 3y ago
This reminds me of Gunter Sachs‘ apartment in St Moritz which Roy Lichtenstein decorated, and Cesar Manriques lava bubble house on Lanzarote, and Salvador Dalis beach house in Portlligat. I think living in art is amazing and livable art worth preserving. If you have a chance, you can visit them, unfortunately not Gunter Sachs‘ apartment.
- jajko 3y ago
  Don't know the others but we visited Cesar Manriques' place 2 weeks ago and we all enjoyed it very much, including small kids (not in theme park way just to be clear). Yeah its not visit of classics in Louvre but that guy sure knew how to build artistically pleasing gardens and surroundings, the design just 'clicked' with all of us immediately.
  - itronitron 3y ago
    related >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forestiere_Underground_Gardens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forestiere_Underground_Gardens
- itronitron 3y ago
  I wonder if the artist renting the apartment can get their decoration acknowledged as an 'improvement' to the apartment in which case they could require the next tenant (or property owner) to pay the artist some amount when signing the rental contract (in some EU countries at least.)
  - psd1 3y ago
    That's not a thing in the UK. The bulk of tenancies here are ASTs, which make most sense over a period of a few years (rather than decades). Our society is predicated on buying your own home while you're young, so a culture of tenancies where the tenant owns the fixtures and fittings doesn't really make sense here.
    - notahacker 3y ago
appplication 3y ago
Reminds me of a mini City Museum a bit, in St Louis.
parpfish 3y ago
So, how does a “Minotaur head” differ from just being a bull?
- growt 3y ago
  In that particular case the eyes and the teeth look more human than bovine to me. I don’t know if that’s a general rule for Minotaurs though.
- wesselbindt 3y ago
  If it was attached to a minotaur body before it was decapitated, it's a minotaur head.
  - prossercj 3y ago
    Can't argue with that.
- werrett 3y ago
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nextlevelwizard 3y ago
I think the tittle is clickbait. The “rental” part while technically true (as in the art was made while it was a rental) isn’t true for the protection- it only got it after it was bought. I don’t get why anyone not involved would care. However if someone would tell me that “hey, one of your tenants went a bit crazy and ruined your apartment, but also it is now protected and you can’t fix it” I would think I was living in a clown world. However if the passed tenants family picked up the rent after the artist passing and then bought the property from me, I wouldn’t care
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- keepamovin 3y ago
  The title was shortened to fit the limit. Rental was the way to get the same meaning. You don't expect them to fit the entire situation in the title, do you? That ain't clickbait, that's just brevity. Hahaha! :)
  - IshKebab 3y ago
    It's definitely deliberate clickbait. It was written to imply that it's still a rental. A non-clickbait title could have been "One man's artistic wonderland, created in secret, given protected status."
    - keepamovin 3y ago
      Hahahaha! :) Sure, I get some vagaries of English can be hard to grasp, but you need to remember: I wrote it, I know what it was written to imply, it was definitely not written to be clickbait, you don't know what it was written to imply, and it doesn't imply what you say. Hahahahaha! :) The meaning of One man's artistic wonderland, created in rental, gets protected status is that it was created in a rental, not that it still is. Hahahaha! :) Would you prefer the other one? One man's artistic wonderland gets protected status in rental BTW how does it matter to you if it's a rental or not? I think you must have rentals on your mind, right? Hahaha! :)
tudorw 3y ago
Using the phrase 'Outsider Art' to be more inclusive, classic...
- hnbad 3y ago
  That's literally what it's called and has nothing to do with being "inclusive". It refers to someone "outside of the established art scene" and if you study anything related to art, you'll usually encounter it in the form of works created by people in mental asylums: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outsider_art https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outsider_art E.g. when studying digital archival this was mentioned in the context of digitizing text because there were examples of "outsider poetry" that were written in highly irregular places all over the page and included layers of annotations. That creates interesting problems when trying to serialize and index the text.
  - tudorw 3y ago
    https://elephant.art/class-visual-arts-barriers-need-broken/ https://elephant.art/class-visual-arts-barriers-need-broken/
    - tudorw 3y ago
      In the linked wiki it makes no reference to your claimed origin, 'The term outsider art was coined in 1972 as the title of a book by art critic Roger Cardina' so my point stands, people inside the art world, a closely guarded circuit, decided that the way to define those natural artists who did not have formal training as 'Outsiders', which to me, is not a very pleasant way to describe a people that don't conform to existing paradigms, I don't accept the division, you are of course free to call it what you like.
surfingdino 3y ago
Is it a freehold, a leasehold, or a share of freehold? Couldn't find that info in the article.
musiciangames 3y ago
Also reminded me of William Ricketts near Melbourne https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ricketts https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ricketts
IshKebab 3y ago
Most of this looks like falling apart trash to me. The lion is pretty good though. Totally clickbait title though. Is that allowed here?
- keepamovin 3y ago
  How is it a clickbait title? It's a totally accurate one. Is this comment allowed? Hahaha! :)
  - IshKebab 3y ago
    It strongly implies that the work was protected while it was a rental, which would be pretty outrageous and is also not true.
    - keepamovin 3y ago
      Hahaha! :) It doesn't imply that at all. That would be: gets protected status in rental Hahaha! :) Your misinterpreted implication is your responsibility. You can't blame other people for what you read into there that's not there! That behavior is confusion about personal responsibility and interpersonal boundaries. Hahaha! :)

131 points by keepamovin 3y ago

I wonder if the landlord was compensated. The costs associated with owning a listed building are much higher than if it's unlisted.

keepamovin 3y ago

Gawd so many neghead anti art comments here on this thread. Lighten up people! Or just stop and have a bit of humility...it's okay to not like or get something, but you don't have to pretend yours is the only possible view, nor that it's shit/awful/terrible and ruining everything. Just express it like a personal opinion. And it's far more interesting if you talk about why you reacted the way you did: what did you like? What did you dislike? Why? Why do you think it looks shit? How do you feel when you see it? That shit is gold interesting stuff! These overly neghead takes are not just boring, and often abusive in their presumption of absoluteness or open denigration of other's opinions -- they are not intellectually curious -- what this place is meant to be about. It's perfectly okay to have a negative reaction, but be more interesting and curious in your investigation of why you feel that way and clear in your expression of that. Or just don't say anything at all because you just bring this awful, dirty negativity. And it makes you look really bad. And I'm sure a lot of you are not like that. I want to know your negative take. But I want to know why beyond you expletives, pompous sweeping proclamations and abusive language against art/artists and other's opinions. Capiche?

galaxyofdoom 3y ago

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hotdogscout 3y ago
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bitwize 3y ago

I thought this was gonna be about Darger, but no, it's about another eccentric, formally untrained artist with a secret hoard of self-created outsider art. Good. The world is a better place for having had more such people in it.

spacecadet 3y ago
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gambiting 3y ago
>>The world is a better place for having had more such people in it. I don't know how to phrase it without it coming across as rude, but like......why? The dude was a hoarder who created a bunch of really mediocre if not downright ugly art in his own apartment. Which part of it exactly is making the world better?
- keepamovin 3y ago
  Because not everybody thinks it's mediocre or downright ugly. You ain't the whole world, your personal judgements are not absolute truths that determine reality. So it's getting better for the people who enjoy it. Your negativity about it notwithstanding. To be precise: the part you're seemingly unable to appreciate is what's making the world better. I guess that's why you're on the grumpy side? Hahahaha! :)
  - gambiting 3y ago
    Is it really negativity to call this ugly? https://ibb.co/pfJSdxn https://ibb.co/pfJSdxn
    - keepamovin 3y ago
      Yeah, I think it is. Whether it's ugly or not is subjective, that's surely a negative judgement. But the point is the overall comment in the bad comments ones is vastly negative. It's just such a negative ugly attitude. You don't want to be around that: it's like being around an abusive person, a bully, someone who puts you down, mocks you, belittles you, diminishes you. Don't you see that kind of thing as something wrong, and to be avoided? That's what I'm against here. When I see that attitude in comments: I just think it's gratuitous negativity, there's no need for it. Not that it matters (as it should be obvious morally/ethically from a human point of view) but it's against the guidelines for Show too: https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html When something isn't good, you needn't pretend that it is, but don't be gratuitously negative.

Duanemclemore 3y ago

Absolutely amazing. Also reminds me a bit of James Hampton. https://americanart.si.edu/artwork/throne-third-heaven-nations-millennium-general-assembly-9897 https://americanart.si.edu/artwork/throne-third-heaven-natio...

interestica 3y ago
I had the exact same thought! I just saw this portion in DC earlier this year. You can get quite close to it.

rodgerd 3y ago

In a similar, but much more impressive vein for outside art: https://www.autour-du-palais-ideal.com/discover/ideal-palace-of-the-postman-cheval/the-history-of-the-ideal-palace/ https://www.autour-du-palais-ideal.com/discover/ideal-palace...

keepamovin 3y ago
Wow, that is amazing! Thanks for sharing. Never heard of that one. Huh, I wouldn't necessarily it's more impressive -- it could be hard to compare -- but they look quite similar in terms of technical aptitude, despite the differences in materials. Have you visited? I would love to visit! Haha! :)
- rodgerd 3y ago
  I haven't had the chance to visit, sadly; I only learned about it from watching "The Ideal Palace" (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7248884/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7248884/) which helps understand the scale of the Palace.

djfergus 3y ago

The crowdfunded trust bought the building - wonder if it was sold at a premium (to reflect the value of the art) or a discount (to reflect the Grade II listing limitations).

lxe 3y ago

Risking to sound similar to that bottom down-voted comment, I want to gently introduce a view here that contrasts the sentiment of it being a "wonderland." This seems hardly something worth preserving given the artistic quality in my opinion. Yet, on the other hand, if it doesn't harm anyone and the trust indeed bought the apartment, then no harm in keeping this quirky place alive.

sethammons 3y ago
Another comment that is dead (i clicked vouch fwiw) linked to this as comparison, another house of art that was to be painted over but was apparently saved: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLyE3L8d/ https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLyE3L8d/ My jaw literally dropped open that someone would want to paint over it. I did not get that feeling looking at the pics in the article.
- datavirtue 3y ago
  People are constantly slathering paint all over shit. Blows me away. Not only that, they will pile on layer after layer so as to build a crust that has no hope of being aesthetic ever again. Sometimes people with an IQ come along and remove the paint and everyone is flabbergasted at the beauty that was underneath. Sorry, I get triggered by naive paint slinging.
krageon 3y ago
Art is inherently subjective, and it gets protected status exactly because a lot of folks think like you.
keepamovin 3y ago
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parpfish 3y ago
I think people like outside art because of its creation story moreso than the actual artistic artifacts
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hotdogscout 3y ago

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keepamovin 3y ago
This is cray seriously. It's so weird to see these "anti art" statements coming out. It's like from people who never stepped foot in an art gallery or been able to appreciate that. It's kind of sad that a whole aspect of human experience is cut off from you. Hahaha! :) It seems more like this self-important judgement that all art is trash is what's narcissistic: judging for everybody that what they like is crap -- pretty narcissistic - I guess you're just better than everyone? Hahaha! :) Do you realize how narrow and bitter you sound, in your own little grinchy anti-art world?
- hotdogscout 3y ago
  I am not anti-art though, just like I'm not anti-narcissism. I think narcissism is a wonderful trait. I think art is a wonderful thing. Justice is frustrated vindictiveness and people have no free will but that doesn't mean I rage against the western judicial system.
  - keepamovin 3y ago
    Did you think that when you wrote the comment? When you say "move on" it seems like you don't think it's wonderful. When you say "deviant nature" it also sounds like you don't think it's wonderful. The dense thinking and unique perspective behind your brief comments makes them hard to parse for most people in the moment. They'd benefit from more exposition! I get you're embracing the shadow and encompassing things seen as negative to be free of them, this is positive I guess as long as it's not harmful. Contrarian viewpoint and likely to be misunderstood in a comment online, but I applaud your courage to say what you think! :) Alright, so to riff on it: In your framework, if I'm to speak within those bounds, if we're to make a connection between justice and vindictiveness I'd say: justice is formalized vindictiveness realized for catharsis and control, and hopefully, healing and remediation. People have no free will? I get if you feel that about yourself, but you can't impose that on others. It's abusive to try because then you don't see their agency. It's also a dangerous trap to believe, as you seem to free yourself from responsibility for your actions, potentially liberating yourself from any sense of accountability for hurting people. Or in a less nefarious mode, explain away any failures of yours by surrendering the idea that you have free will and can choose to make improvements. The idea of lack of free will I think is very suspicious and leads to disempowerment. But if I'm to try to parse your last sentence as you understand it: justice is bullshit, it's nobody's fault anyway but that doesn't mean I'm going to try to push back: I'm powerless and it would be futile but we need these things to prevent total chaos is that right? Also, you think narcissism is wonderful? "Wonderful" could be taken to mean "prompting wonder" and be value-neutral, so in that sense it could be a weasel word judgement disguised as a positive. But generally, wonderful means positive and good. But a definition of narcissism is: selfishness, involving a sense of entitlement, a lack of empathy, and a need for admiration, as characterizing a personality type -- you think that's good??? The picture I get from your comments is: you're being raw, expressing directly out of a deep well of your being and experience in an unfiltered way, you've been really hurt and betrayed and have found your peace about it, in part by acceptance with thinking 'nobody has responsibility' anyway, and you don't feel you can do anything about it so you just have to accept it.

mitjam 3y ago

This reminds me of Gunter Sachs‘ apartment in St Moritz which Roy Lichtenstein decorated, and Cesar Manriques lava bubble house on Lanzarote, and Salvador Dalis beach house in Portlligat. I think living in art is amazing and livable art worth preserving. If you have a chance, you can visit them, unfortunately not Gunter Sachs‘ apartment.

jajko 3y ago
Don't know the others but we visited Cesar Manriques' place 2 weeks ago and we all enjoyed it very much, including small kids (not in theme park way just to be clear). Yeah its not visit of classics in Louvre but that guy sure knew how to build artistically pleasing gardens and surroundings, the design just 'clicked' with all of us immediately.
- itronitron 3y ago
  related >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forestiere_Underground_Gardens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forestiere_Underground_Gardens
itronitron 3y ago
I wonder if the artist renting the apartment can get their decoration acknowledged as an 'improvement' to the apartment in which case they could require the next tenant (or property owner) to pay the artist some amount when signing the rental contract (in some EU countries at least.)
- psd1 3y ago
  That's not a thing in the UK. The bulk of tenancies here are ASTs, which make most sense over a period of a few years (rather than decades). Our society is predicated on buying your own home while you're young, so a culture of tenancies where the tenant owns the fixtures and fittings doesn't really make sense here.
  - notahacker 3y ago

appplication 3y ago

Reminds me of a mini City Museum a bit, in St Louis.

parpfish 3y ago

So, how does a “Minotaur head” differ from just being a bull?

growt 3y ago
In that particular case the eyes and the teeth look more human than bovine to me. I don’t know if that’s a general rule for Minotaurs though.
wesselbindt 3y ago
If it was attached to a minotaur body before it was decapitated, it's a minotaur head.
- prossercj 3y ago
  Can't argue with that.
werrett 3y ago
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nextlevelwizard 3y ago

I think the tittle is clickbait. The “rental” part while technically true (as in the art was made while it was a rental) isn’t true for the protection- it only got it after it was bought. I don’t get why anyone not involved would care. However if someone would tell me that “hey, one of your tenants went a bit crazy and ruined your apartment, but also it is now protected and you can’t fix it” I would think I was living in a clown world. However if the passed tenants family picked up the rent after the artist passing and then bought the property from me, I wouldn’t care

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keepamovin 3y ago
The title was shortened to fit the limit. Rental was the way to get the same meaning. You don't expect them to fit the entire situation in the title, do you? That ain't clickbait, that's just brevity. Hahaha! :)
- IshKebab 3y ago
  It's definitely deliberate clickbait. It was written to imply that it's still a rental. A non-clickbait title could have been "One man's artistic wonderland, created in secret, given protected status."
  - keepamovin 3y ago
    Hahahaha! :) Sure, I get some vagaries of English can be hard to grasp, but you need to remember: I wrote it, I know what it was written to imply, it was definitely not written to be clickbait, you don't know what it was written to imply, and it doesn't imply what you say. Hahahahaha! :) The meaning of One man's artistic wonderland, created in rental, gets protected status is that it was created in a rental, not that it still is. Hahahaha! :) Would you prefer the other one? One man's artistic wonderland gets protected status in rental BTW how does it matter to you if it's a rental or not? I think you must have rentals on your mind, right? Hahaha! :)

tudorw 3y ago

Using the phrase 'Outsider Art' to be more inclusive, classic...

hnbad 3y ago
That's literally what it's called and has nothing to do with being "inclusive". It refers to someone "outside of the established art scene" and if you study anything related to art, you'll usually encounter it in the form of works created by people in mental asylums: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outsider_art https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outsider_art E.g. when studying digital archival this was mentioned in the context of digitizing text because there were examples of "outsider poetry" that were written in highly irregular places all over the page and included layers of annotations. That creates interesting problems when trying to serialize and index the text.
- tudorw 3y ago
  https://elephant.art/class-visual-arts-barriers-need-broken/ https://elephant.art/class-visual-arts-barriers-need-broken/
  - tudorw 3y ago
    In the linked wiki it makes no reference to your claimed origin, 'The term outsider art was coined in 1972 as the title of a book by art critic Roger Cardina' so my point stands, people inside the art world, a closely guarded circuit, decided that the way to define those natural artists who did not have formal training as 'Outsiders', which to me, is not a very pleasant way to describe a people that don't conform to existing paradigms, I don't accept the division, you are of course free to call it what you like.

surfingdino 3y ago

Is it a freehold, a leasehold, or a share of freehold? Couldn't find that info in the article.

musiciangames 3y ago

Also reminded me of William Ricketts near Melbourne https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ricketts https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ricketts

IshKebab 3y ago

Most of this looks like falling apart trash to me. The lion is pretty good though. Totally clickbait title though. Is that allowed here?

keepamovin 3y ago
How is it a clickbait title? It's a totally accurate one. Is this comment allowed? Hahaha! :)
- IshKebab 3y ago
  It strongly implies that the work was protected while it was a rental, which would be pretty outrageous and is also not true.
  - keepamovin 3y ago
    Hahaha! :) It doesn't imply that at all. That would be: gets protected status in rental Hahaha! :) Your misinterpreted implication is your responsibility. You can't blame other people for what you read into there that's not there! That behavior is confusion about personal responsibility and interpersonal boundaries. Hahaha! :)