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Looks like most of the people saying it's too expensive are talking about filtering the stuff out of water at or near the point of use. What's the cost to reduc
by sp332 3y ago
Looks like most of the people saying it's too expensive are talking about filtering the stuff out of water at or near the point of use. What's the cost to reduce the amount of these chemicals getting into the water in the first place?
- dudus 3y agoThey are already in the water, and they are not going away, hence the name.
- NewJazz 3y agoWhat's the cost of even identifying all the ways these chemicals are getting out, or what all these chemicals are? I heard recently that but and seed butters often have elevated amounts of this crap... One hypothesis floated was that machinery used in the processing of this food is being coated in the stuff.
- nonrandomstring 3y agoWe know where a lot of it came from. Emphasis because it's an historical problem: Military and civil air fire-fighting foam. About a million tons of perfluoroalkyl was put into the environment between 1970 and 2000. It's very mobile, so it quickly got into groundwater and rivers. By comparison the leach from Teflon pans is probably a small percentage.
- NewJazz 3y agoOh I definitely agree that Teflon pans are low on the list of pollution sources. But firefighting foam doesn't explain wtf happened (is happening?) to Cape Fear.
- hunter2_ 3y agoFood packaging is full of this stuff. Think about how a greasy sandwich or stick of butter is wrapped in a magic piece of paper that somehow doesn't get completely saturated with grease/sauce... that's PFAS.
- mjrpes 3y agoThey make PFAS free wax paper.
- choilive 3y agoTo the machinery example - the dies used to make pasta are teflon coated because that means you can push the dough through the dies faster. Likewise dental floss often has PFAS coatings to make it easier to slide between your teeth. This stuff is literally everywhere and cannot be avoided.
- idunnoman1222 3y agoCorrect it makes an excellent lubricant, used in basically all factories, even the ones packaging your food or extracting oil from nuts or whatever
- hunter2_ 3y agoFor nonstick/waterproof/hydrophobic coatings to not slowly shed from whatever they're applied to and end up in the water, they'd need to not be applied in the first place. Not having them is cheaper than having them, but we'll be wet (which occasionally leads to hypothermia) and we'll need to revert back to pans seasoned the old fashioned way (less convenient, careful washing).
- beejiu 3y ago> revert back to pans seasoned the old fashioned way Stainless steel is the more convenient option.
- dham 3y agoBut somehow butter and lard are bad, that's how this whole thing started
- singleshot_ 3y agoIt takes a tough man to make a tender chicken, as they used to say.
- yumraj 3y agoAnd cast iron, which can get enough non-stick for many uses.
- wahnfrieden 3y agoAs long as one doesn't mistake carcinogenic leftovers from previous cooking for seasoning. It's somehow common to think that seasoning means some deep umami flavor from food bits that get baked into it over time, when it only means the initial seasoning of the metal as a chemical process and still means you should wash your dishes like anything else after it's seasoned. and regular seasoning isn't stripped by washing with dish soap
- refulgentis 3y agoIsn't that the seasoned alternative?
- ClumsyPilot 3y ago> people saying it's too expensive Always found that argument very strange - if it's too expensive to be healthy and alive, what the fuck is the money for?
- revscat 3y agoProfit for those who can afford to protect themselves at the expense of others. At that point money is largely used for political power.
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- redox99 3y agoThere's a finite amount of resources (including labor). Money is a proxy for that.
- ClumsyPilot 3y agoSuppose i believe that- what is the point of preserving resources, if you are not going to use them to keep yourself healthy and alive? What are you saving them for? But also, that's a very poor proxy - some intangible things like songs cost a lot of money but represent zero resources. Some resources, like a piece of land, quadruple in price, once a fictional planning permission for construction is attached to them, etc. And then you can run an economy like Britain does where you use all economic surplus to inflate value of already existing housing resources, therefore destroying any surplus you could have.
- sp332 3y agoTo paraphrase the author of Pictures for Sad Children, money is just a way for us to hurt each other.
- bagels 3y agoThey're already in the environment, and will continue to contaminate water even if they are no longer manufactured.