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Yes, even if you're a journalist you don't get to decide anymore what is and isn't legitimate news and a legitimate viewpoint on that news. That doesn't mean t

Yes, even if you're a journalist you don't get to decide anymore what is and isn't legitimate news and a legitimate viewpoint on that news. That doesn't mean twitter is dying. I like encountering racism and conspiracy theories on twitter: it means people really are allowed to communicate about any topic in any way they want. And I'm allowed to engage with it or not.

pavel_lishin 3y ago
I like encountering roaches & rats in the building basement. It means people really are allowed to throw their garbage anywhere they want. And I'm allowed to engage with it or not.
- unsupp0rted 3y ago
  The analogy doesn't hold. There is no country in the world that enshrines in its doctrines and laws the right for people to throw garbage anywhere they want. That's not a human right or a privilege for which people have fought and died. But speech is. You might argue that Twitter isn't the government and nobody should have an expectation of free speech there, or that Twitter is international and many developed countries have laws against hate speech. However, "freedom to say things others don't like" is a thing people generally value or regret not having, in any country. It's not unreasonable to celebrate the evidence that on Twitter it is alive and well. This is one of the few topics (this being Twitter or anything Elon Musk-adjacent), where getting downvotes on HN is commonplace.
  - shrimp_emoji 3y ago
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    - pavel_lishin 3y ago
      No, we just stopped going to the Nazi bar.
  - krapp 3y ago
    I think what's being argued is that racism and conspiracy theory are the speech equivalent of garbage and you making a point of celebrating their presence, as if that were somehow undermining "big journalism" with something of value, isn't worth much even as an endorsement of free speech itself. But you are correct, free speech is free speech, so enjoy wallowing in the cesspool all you like.
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pavel_lishin 3y ago

I like encountering roaches & rats in the building basement. It means people really are allowed to throw their garbage anywhere they want. And I'm allowed to engage with it or not.

unsupp0rted 3y ago
The analogy doesn't hold. There is no country in the world that enshrines in its doctrines and laws the right for people to throw garbage anywhere they want. That's not a human right or a privilege for which people have fought and died. But speech is. You might argue that Twitter isn't the government and nobody should have an expectation of free speech there, or that Twitter is international and many developed countries have laws against hate speech. However, "freedom to say things others don't like" is a thing people generally value or regret not having, in any country. It's not unreasonable to celebrate the evidence that on Twitter it is alive and well. This is one of the few topics (this being Twitter or anything Elon Musk-adjacent), where getting downvotes on HN is commonplace.
- shrimp_emoji 3y ago
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  - pavel_lishin 3y ago
    No, we just stopped going to the Nazi bar.
- krapp 3y ago
  I think what's being argued is that racism and conspiracy theory are the speech equivalent of garbage and you making a point of celebrating their presence, as if that were somehow undermining "big journalism" with something of value, isn't worth much even as an endorsement of free speech itself. But you are correct, free speech is free speech, so enjoy wallowing in the cesspool all you like.
  - deleted 3y ago
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