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Boeing Whistleblower: "If Anything Happens to Me, It's Not Suicide"
- holyhelldang 3y ago[dead]
- Traubenfuchs 3y agoAs much as this was meant to silence him, this was meant as a message to anyone else considering whistleblowing. Whistleblowing rapidly loses attractively if you know that you will get putined. Why pay someone off? Why be scared? Just kill anyone you don't like. They do it because they can. They are companies with country-sized budgets. This is corporation sponsored terrorism against the population. Will there be consequences? I doubt it.
- epolanski 3y agoI don't think we have that many informations to label c-suite in Boeing as killers with such ease. Those are serious allegations. I would rather wait for an inquiry/coroner/etc to shed more light on what's happened.
- spacephysics 3y agoI’d more readily believe it’s a shareholder than anyone directly at Boeing. But who knows
- epolanski 3y agoWhat would be the incentive? Seeing his portfolio shrink and the company go through even more problems than it has?
- smallmancontrov 3y agoModest 401ks invested in index funds yielding a tiny amount of supplemental income that mostly gets reinvested for retirement are not a universal truth. Some people invest for a living. If you have the net worth for it, it's a nice way to live. Other people strive for the same using concentration and leverage. So yeah, there are investors out there who care a lot.
- epolanski 3y agoBut no investor here benefits from throwing shades on Boeing killing whistleblowers.
- smallmancontrov 3y agoWhat? Why on Earth would you think that? "We are all pretty sure Boeing did it" doesn't meet any actionable legal standard. Deposing this guy and the followups is a critical part of the accountability process that will no longer happen or, in the case of followups, be significantly impeded by the presence of a credible threat looming over their heads. Shareholders (and management) absolutely benefit.
- epolanski 3y agoBecause getting the company you have shares in dragged in even more mud at such a time with a whistleblower dying mysteriously does really your shares no good.
- spacephysics 3y agoOnce you start to look at hedge funds with very large option positions, the losses can be many thousands of times larger than just “stock lost 5%, means I lost 5%” It’s usually something like “if stock drops 2.5% at this number, we’re forced to buy the inverse option to hedge our bets and we loose X amount” (over simplification) Just look at the GME stuff and how much money was lost due to retail trading meme behavior
- kylebenzle 3y agoIm surprised they didn't murder Roaring Kitty (Keith Gill) probably wh he has gone into hiding. He probably got the same offer he couldn't refuse, "shut the fuck up or else."
- lupusreal 3y agoWe already know they're killers, the second MAX crash showed that if the first didn't. Now it's just a question of how direct they're willing to get.
- readthenotes1 3y agoWe already know that they are killers. Just ask the people who died on their planes, for which they did their best to cover up Boeing's responsibility.
- pizzafeelsright 3y agoIt is never so direct. Management gets a contact who is a fixer, hired though an attorney, hiring a contractor who does investigations who happen to have contacts who will do field work research. Field researcher gets name, hotel, car, follows from deposition and when the schedule becomes predictable an interaction or two occurs. Maybe an offer to stay silent followed up with a threat or action that will further persuade a favorable outcome for the hiring agency. Upper management has zero exposure and everyone down the line was vague enough to be removed from direct action with the trigger being unaffiliated party. Want to punish a neighbor? Pay a homeless guy to hire a homeless guy to throw a rock through a window. Who gets arrested? Not the home owner. Homeless guys can't be trusted for their witness. No records. Window is still broken.
- guardiangod 3y agoI don’t understand the motivation behind Boeing ordering the hit. The guy already let out all the dirty laundry and nothing he said can further damage Boeings reputation. So why do it? I’d think it’s one of Boeings stockholders who had a judge against him speaking out.
- Traubenfuchs 3y agoA late message to potential future whistleblowers. You think crazy Jennifer made this up for her 5 minutes of fame?
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- sxg 3y agoWe don't know that all the laundry has been let out. It's also possible that there could be criminal charges against some of Boeing's leadership if this guy were to testify against them or if he had more info.
- Simulacra 3y agoI'm not a lawyer, but if he was dead before the deposition, it doesn't really count. In order to have any weight, he would've had to been under oath, in a deposition, some type of very official interview and documentation. It's like when a mob witness goes missing. If they can't testify, they can't testify.
- lupusreal 3y agoBoeing is presently in the middle of a coverup; they don't want anybody coming forward with information that Boeing management knew about the "opening a plug door" process shortcut.
- iancmceachern 3y agoMaybe there was more (unaired dirty laundry)
- reactordev 3y ago
- reaperman 3y agoDuplicate: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39712618 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39712618 (300 comments)
- theultdev 3y agoProbably a dupe because I can't find this submission or the one you linked on any page of HN now. edit: just found this one on page 6 now. edit2: both are completely gone now off any page. edit3: now it's claimed as a [dupe] and the active discussion is dead. Wow.
- reaperman 3y agoWell, enough people found it to get >330 comments, which is a lot.
- theultdev 3y agoIt's strange neither are on the first 20 pages of HN. Many older Boeing articles with less points and less comments are on the first 10 pages. It dropped to page 8 within seconds, I haven't seen that before.
- lamontcg 3y agoIIRC, the algorithm on HN deliberately punishes submissions which have more comments than upvotes. It uses this as a flamebait-detector.
- theodorejb 3y agoI wonder if the police are afraid to investigate it thoroughly.
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- lr4444lr 3y agoI find it hard to believe that there many people in this world worth the kind of professional assassination that could avoid all of the widespread surveillance apparatus (consumer surveillance cameras, leaving behind no genetic data) and the advances in post-mortem medical examination, but maybe I'm just naïve.
- theultdev 3y agoWell, the cameras could go off for an hour and both guards could be asleep for the same hour. -- edit: on a meta note, why did this submission flash on the homepage, and now I can't find it? edit2: I can't find the dupe submission either: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39712618 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39712618 edit3: I found this submission now on page 6, it was just on the first page and gaining comments and votes fast until just now. edit4: both submissions are completely gone now off any page. @dang?
- joshstrange 3y agoWell yeah, if you want to make up outlandish hypotheticals with no basis in reality /s I think we fall into a false sense of "How could this happen and no one get caught doing it". I know I've had that thought for decades now but murders keep happening and people keep getting away with it. I find myself thinking "Wow, I guess that was easier than I thought it'd be (thinking back 1-4 years), but _now_ it would be harder", the issue is I've had that same thought almost every year so clearly my guess of how hard it would be is way off.
- theultdev 3y agoThat wasn't a hypothetical. I was referencing a current event. edit: missed the /s, stupid brain
- joshstrange 3y agoI know, that's why I had the "/s" I know you're referencing Epstein
- VincentEvans 3y agoThis seems like a screen capture from Fox? Anyone has the link to the original video on Fox?
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- coconut08 3y agoI don't really have an opinion on this either way, but I would just like to point out that it is in fact possible to say publicly (or privately for that matter) that you will not kill yourself and then kill yourself. There is no fundamental law of nature that says if you say something that are cosmically stuck to that statement.
- aaomidi 3y agoWith all due respect, "no shit?" There however is less reason to believe this was suicide given the circumstances.
- coconut08 3y agothen maybe consider using real evidence instead of something that isn't evidence of anything.
- aaomidi 3y agoThis isn't a court and the bar for real evidence isn't going to be met here. Assassinations, by definition, are done to keep the actual person behind them hidden. What we do have is a series of problematic behavior Boeing is doing, that fit an MO. Also, it's clear that *you do* have an opinion on this.
- coconut08 3y agoi literally know absolutely nothing about boeing or this guy. i have 0 opinion on this case at all. what i have an opinion about is people using someone claiming they won't commit suicide as evidence that they were murdered when they die. see john mcafee. it was a major headline when he died that he said he wouldn't commit suicide and then he died therefore conspiracy. except in reality he is the exact sort of unhinged maniac that would commit suicide. i wouldn't be surprised if there was ACTUAL evidence of a conspiracy, but him saying him saying he won't kill himself aint it.
- johnea 3y agoSome non-twitverse links to this story: https://www.newsweek.com/john-barnett-boeing-whistleblower-predicted-death-scandal-1879548 https://www.newsweek.com/john-barnett-boeing-whistleblower-p... https://abcnews4.com/news/local/if-anything-happens-its-not-suicide-boeing-whistleblowers-prediction-before-death-south-carolina-abc-news-4-2024 https://abcnews4.com/news/local/if-anything-happens-its-not-...
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