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I like they raised the broadband minimum upload speed from 3 to 25Mbps. Spectrum's 300 Mbps broadband is only 10 Mbps up. Let's see how fast they change their s

I like they raised the broadband minimum upload speed from 3 to 25Mbps. Spectrum's 300 Mbps broadband is only 10 Mbps up. Let's see how fast they change their statement that "an upload speed of 3 Mbps is enough for most households" [1]. [1: https://www.spectrum.com/resources/internet-wifi/what-is-a-good-download-and-upload-speed https://www.spectrum.com/resources/internet-wifi/what-is-a-g...]

vlan0 3y ago
What’s interesting is I’ve been pushing 20-25 up for the last month or so.
candiddevmike 3y ago
On coax/cable lines like Charter/Spectrum, the upload speed limit is due to protocol/DOCSIS limitations. Supposedly the new version of DOCSIS fixes this/allows for symmetrical service, and Spectrum has been rolling it out for a while now. Still waiting for it where I'm at...
- m463 3y ago
  I've seen this explanation, but it makes no sense ver year download upload 1.0 1997 40 Mbit/s 10 Mbit/s 1.1 2001 40 Mbit/s 10 Mbit/s 2.0 2002 40 Mbit/s 30 Mbit/s 3.0 2006 1 Gbit/s 200 Mbit/s 3.1 2013 10 Gbit/s 1–2 Gbit/s 4.0 2017 10 Gbit/s 6 Gbit/s the version previous to the "new version" uploads at 1-2gbit/s which is 40-80x the FCC value https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Comparison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Comparison
  - candiddevmike 3y ago
    AFAIK they're on DOCSIS 3.0 and upgrading to DOCSIS 4
  - pwarner 3y ago
    These are the spec. Implementations vary. They vary in terms of chips, but also the way they get deployed on existing cable plant.
  - akerl_ 3y ago
    You may want to scroll down to the “throughput” section, instead of looking at the theoretical max. The theoretical max up and download aren’t additive. It’s like saying that an egg carton can hold a max of 12 white eggs or 12 brown eggs. Good luck putting 24 eggs in it. The DOCSIS standards carve up the available throughput, using some of that for upload and some for download.
lotsofpulp 3y ago
For coaxial cable, I assume they will still allocate the same 50Mbps upload between 200 houses, and then let you get a 25Mbps burst for a few seconds by taking it from others.
- Scoundreller 3y ago
  Sometimes the issue is legacy CPEs that couldn't access channels that newer ones could (or couldn't bond as many). That's why sometimes a modem upgrade could "unlock" higher speeds.
gilfoy 3y ago
I get, realistically, like 30Mbps up with Spectrum with their 1Gb plan. At my last place they had a smaller competitor that did 1Gb up and down, so they changed existing 1Gb plans to the same. Now I live 8 minutes away from there and it's not an option! But competition is coming to my building soon so I can only hope.
gamepsys 3y ago
Zoom recommends 3.8Mbps for uploading 1080p video. Being able to do 1080p video conferencing is an expectation of broadband. Raising the definition of broadband to meet this basic requirement is clearly a win. I do think 25Mbps up is more than what's required for a large number of households (>33%). I have advised family that 15Mbps is adequate when they needed to do office work from home. Perhaps the only good thing about this is that it will force ISPs to upgrade their infrastructure, but I'm worried the cost of that will be passed onto consumers at a time when inflation has already taken a toll on budgets.
- lolinder 3y ago
  I've been coping with 6 Mbps upload speeds from Xfinity for years now. This morning I got an email from them saying they were raising my speeds at no cost, and after a modem restart I'm now getting ~20 Mbps up. This whole time I've been told that Xfinity couldn't provide decent upload speeds because of infrastructure reasons, but now that's been proven a lie.
  - rqtwteye 3y ago
    The 20Mpbs is definitely very welcome and so far it’s pretty constant. I hope one day we will have symmetric connections everywhere.
  - conradev 3y ago
    It’s not a lie – they can’t provide upload speeds anywhere near their download speeds. 20 Mbps vs 6 Mbps is still quite small compared to 1000 Mbps. DOCSIS 3.1, the latest and not fully deployed standard goes up to 10Gbps down and 1Gpbs up. It looks like DOCSIS 4.0 is actually a path forward to symmetric upload/download speeds over the same cables
    - boneitis 3y ago
      I feel like this does more to affirm the "been proven a lie" statement than refute it. 20 Mbps, while still suffocation, provides a massive amount of breathing room from 6.
itsgrimetime 3y ago
Makes sense why Xfinity just emailed me that they graciously decided to “double my upload speed completely free of charge”
- Modified3019 3y ago
  Yep, same here.
LegibleCrimson 3y ago
My Comcast gigabit internet is only 25Mbps up. I'm pretty unhappy about it, as somebody who regularly has to push large docker images and wait forever each time.

vlan0 3y ago

What’s interesting is I’ve been pushing 20-25 up for the last month or so.

candiddevmike 3y ago

On coax/cable lines like Charter/Spectrum, the upload speed limit is due to protocol/DOCSIS limitations. Supposedly the new version of DOCSIS fixes this/allows for symmetrical service, and Spectrum has been rolling it out for a while now. Still waiting for it where I'm at...

m463 3y ago
I've seen this explanation, but it makes no sense ver year download upload 1.0 1997 40 Mbit/s 10 Mbit/s 1.1 2001 40 Mbit/s 10 Mbit/s 2.0 2002 40 Mbit/s 30 Mbit/s 3.0 2006 1 Gbit/s 200 Mbit/s 3.1 2013 10 Gbit/s 1–2 Gbit/s 4.0 2017 10 Gbit/s 6 Gbit/s the version previous to the "new version" uploads at 1-2gbit/s which is 40-80x the FCC value https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Comparison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Comparison
- candiddevmike 3y ago
  AFAIK they're on DOCSIS 3.0 and upgrading to DOCSIS 4
- pwarner 3y ago
  These are the spec. Implementations vary. They vary in terms of chips, but also the way they get deployed on existing cable plant.
- akerl_ 3y ago
  You may want to scroll down to the “throughput” section, instead of looking at the theoretical max. The theoretical max up and download aren’t additive. It’s like saying that an egg carton can hold a max of 12 white eggs or 12 brown eggs. Good luck putting 24 eggs in it. The DOCSIS standards carve up the available throughput, using some of that for upload and some for download.

lotsofpulp 3y ago

For coaxial cable, I assume they will still allocate the same 50Mbps upload between 200 houses, and then let you get a 25Mbps burst for a few seconds by taking it from others.

Scoundreller 3y ago
Sometimes the issue is legacy CPEs that couldn't access channels that newer ones could (or couldn't bond as many). That's why sometimes a modem upgrade could "unlock" higher speeds.

gilfoy 3y ago

I get, realistically, like 30Mbps up with Spectrum with their 1Gb plan. At my last place they had a smaller competitor that did 1Gb up and down, so they changed existing 1Gb plans to the same. Now I live 8 minutes away from there and it's not an option! But competition is coming to my building soon so I can only hope.

gamepsys 3y ago

Zoom recommends 3.8Mbps for uploading 1080p video. Being able to do 1080p video conferencing is an expectation of broadband. Raising the definition of broadband to meet this basic requirement is clearly a win. I do think 25Mbps up is more than what's required for a large number of households (>33%). I have advised family that 15Mbps is adequate when they needed to do office work from home. Perhaps the only good thing about this is that it will force ISPs to upgrade their infrastructure, but I'm worried the cost of that will be passed onto consumers at a time when inflation has already taken a toll on budgets.

lolinder 3y ago
I've been coping with 6 Mbps upload speeds from Xfinity for years now. This morning I got an email from them saying they were raising my speeds at no cost, and after a modem restart I'm now getting ~20 Mbps up. This whole time I've been told that Xfinity couldn't provide decent upload speeds because of infrastructure reasons, but now that's been proven a lie.
- rqtwteye 3y ago
  The 20Mpbs is definitely very welcome and so far it’s pretty constant. I hope one day we will have symmetric connections everywhere.
- conradev 3y ago
  It’s not a lie – they can’t provide upload speeds anywhere near their download speeds. 20 Mbps vs 6 Mbps is still quite small compared to 1000 Mbps. DOCSIS 3.1, the latest and not fully deployed standard goes up to 10Gbps down and 1Gpbs up. It looks like DOCSIS 4.0 is actually a path forward to symmetric upload/download speeds over the same cables
  - boneitis 3y ago
    I feel like this does more to affirm the "been proven a lie" statement than refute it. 20 Mbps, while still suffocation, provides a massive amount of breathing room from 6.

itsgrimetime 3y ago

Makes sense why Xfinity just emailed me that they graciously decided to “double my upload speed completely free of charge”

Modified3019 3y ago
Yep, same here.

LegibleCrimson 3y ago

My Comcast gigabit internet is only 25Mbps up. I'm pretty unhappy about it, as somebody who regularly has to push large docker images and wait forever each time.