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I wonder how many "leaders" in AI don't have one, and therefor don't understand reasoning the same way as others do who do have it (FWIW I have Aphantasia, alth

I wonder how many "leaders" in AI don't have one, and therefor don't understand reasoning the same way as others do who do have it (FWIW I have Aphantasia, although it doesn't mean I can't imagine - I just can't see it).

adastra22 3y ago
The converse is also true. I’m sure people with internal monologues (I’m not one) are much more optimistic about LLMs.
- tanepiper 3y ago
  Oh I have usually more than one internal monologues going on, but I also think LLMs are just Markov chains with more infrastructure and way over-hyped (because I can reason this)
- clipsy 3y ago
  > I’m sure people with internal monologues (I’m not one) are much more optimistic about LLMs. Can I ask why you're "sure" about this? I have an internal monologue and I'm quite skeptical of the LLM hype.
  - adastra22 3y ago
    I'm not. I was making a rhetorical point regarding the fallacious thinking of the post I was replying to.
unsupp0rted 3y ago
It's hard to tell if one does or doesn't have an inner monologue/dialog. It's the standard "is the color I call 'yellow' the same yellow color that you call 'yellow'?" question. We have no frame of reference for what an inner monologue is really like for other people. How many gradations are there? 0 = none, 1000 = max (I can hear my voice in my head as clearly and cogently as you can hear my voice when I'm explaining something to you?) 0 = none, 3 = max, and almost all humans are either a 0, 1, 2 or 3? Until we get neuralink's descendent implanted and can share each other's consciousness, we won't know for sure. And probably not even then.
- adastra22 3y ago
  I don't understand your comment. I literally have no words going through my head most of the time, unless I'm composing text or speech as I am doing right now. The rest of the time as I go about my business and solving problems throughout the day: zero words. Nada. Zilch. Furthermore, having to think in words is a mental strain on my energy level that I don't feel when non-verbally solving problems. I could be doing very intense engineering work and find it less mentally taxing than forcing myself to speak for a few minutes or compose an email. It's a qualitative difference, not a spectrum.
  - tanepiper 3y ago
    For me, I can drive for example, and think about complex topics with words running through my mind at the same time, without it distracting from my ability to drive.

adastra22 3y ago

The converse is also true. I’m sure people with internal monologues (I’m not one) are much more optimistic about LLMs.

tanepiper 3y ago
Oh I have usually more than one internal monologues going on, but I also think LLMs are just Markov chains with more infrastructure and way over-hyped (because I can reason this)
clipsy 3y ago
> I’m sure people with internal monologues (I’m not one) are much more optimistic about LLMs. Can I ask why you're "sure" about this? I have an internal monologue and I'm quite skeptical of the LLM hype.
- adastra22 3y ago
  I'm not. I was making a rhetorical point regarding the fallacious thinking of the post I was replying to.

unsupp0rted 3y ago

It's hard to tell if one does or doesn't have an inner monologue/dialog. It's the standard "is the color I call 'yellow' the same yellow color that you call 'yellow'?" question. We have no frame of reference for what an inner monologue is really like for other people. How many gradations are there? 0 = none, 1000 = max (I can hear my voice in my head as clearly and cogently as you can hear my voice when I'm explaining something to you?) 0 = none, 3 = max, and almost all humans are either a 0, 1, 2 or 3? Until we get neuralink's descendent implanted and can share each other's consciousness, we won't know for sure. And probably not even then.

adastra22 3y ago
I don't understand your comment. I literally have no words going through my head most of the time, unless I'm composing text or speech as I am doing right now. The rest of the time as I go about my business and solving problems throughout the day: zero words. Nada. Zilch. Furthermore, having to think in words is a mental strain on my energy level that I don't feel when non-verbally solving problems. I could be doing very intense engineering work and find it less mentally taxing than forcing myself to speak for a few minutes or compose an email. It's a qualitative difference, not a spectrum.
- tanepiper 3y ago
  For me, I can drive for example, and think about complex topics with words running through my mind at the same time, without it distracting from my ability to drive.