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Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway
- amyjess 3y agoBoeing desperately needs to end up like Takata: fined 250% of their annual EBIT, forcing them to go out of business due to inability to pay their fines, with their assets getting acquired by a random competitor.
- l33t7332273 3y agoIt seems that it’s been decided that Boeing, as one of the only large passenger aircraft manufacturers in the world, is too important to our national economy and security to fine out of business.
- bfrog 3y agoThe plane seems like the pinto of planes, by the time Boeing works it all out they will have lost all trust.
- anon-sre-srm 3y agos/Pinto/Corvair/ Ralph Nader, who has a horse in this race, should write a new book Unsafe at Any Altitude.
- kelnos 3y agoMaybe, but this incident is not evidence of that. Landing gear collapse after a pilot runs off the runway and into the grass is a likely event.
- xedeon 3y agoThis was just a few hours ago too: Tire falls off United plane after takeoff from SFO https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-francisco/united-plane-loses-tire-takeoff-san-francisco-international-airport/3475104/ https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-francisco/united-p...
- apgwoz 3y ago[flagged]
- fxd123 3y ago737 MAX can land with missing or damaged tires as well. It's a legal requirement for large passenger planes
- apgwoz 3y agoMaybe I've become incredibly biased against the 737 MAX through years of reporting / citations of substantial problems, but I'm sort of in the "ha! I'll believe it when I see it" for the MAX to do anything properly.
- yuliyp 3y agoThat was yesterday.
- afavour 3y agoYesterday was a few hours ago!
- bagels 3y agoPictures showed tire & wheel, not just 'tire'
- behnamoh 3y agoHow is it even still legal to operate 737 Max after all its failures? Is Boeing lobbying or something?
- hnthrowaway0328 3y agoI guess human lives is an "optional extra".
- lumost 3y agopermanently grounding 737 MAX would be tantamount to killing Boeing's commercial aviation products (and possibly the company itself). Unfortunately, this would have the side effect of destroying America's only viable commercial aviation company - there likely would not be a successor without heavy government bailouts.
- jprete 3y agoThat's an extremely expensive and impractical solution. EDIT: By "impractical" I mean that it doesn't help safety much, but does totally wreck US air travel for several years.
- EarthIsHome 3y agoProfit doesn't care about legality.
- afavour 3y agoI don’t mean to give a free pass to Boeing’s ineptitude but it’s not like people are dying or even injured during these recent failures. Grounding them all permanently would be an overreaction.
- FrustratedMonky 3y agoKind of Iceberg Effect. All these safety issues, might be 'minor'. What we can see. But having a big up-tick, and you wonder about the 'big-one' about to happen, that is still the submerged part of ice-berg.
- dralley 3y agoAccounts on twitter claiming to have been on the airplane recounted that the aircraft went off the runway first, and that the gear failure, if there was one, happened after the plane left the runway. "737 Max suffers landing gear failure" is a sexy headline but it may be prudent to wait for a bit more information before jumping to too many conclusions - just because Boeing is fresh in everyone's minds. Wild speculation is inevitable under present circumstances but it doesn't necessarily need to happen here. Not that Twitter is a great source of reliable information, but, well, nowhere else is either when it comes to something that happened like 2 hours ago.
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- laweijfmvo 3y ago> it “left the pavement and entered the grass” while exiting the runway for the gate, airport officials said in an interview. Indeed, seems like it taxi'd into the grass. Could be pilot error, or mechanical, I guess.
- paulpauper 3y agoAccounts on twitter claiming to have been on the airplane recounted that the aircraft went off the runway first, and that the gear failure, if there was one, happened after the plane left the runway. Boeing stock did not seem to drop much on this news (at least not relative to the S&P 500, which is down), so this scenario would not have worked: https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucebrumberg/2024/01/12/stakes-on-a-plane-is-it-insider-trading-to-trade-boeing-stock-while-inside-a-damaged-boeing-airliner/?sh=337f6f4d7f74 https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucebrumberg/2024/01/12/stakes...
- Jasper_ 3y ago> Video footage captured the moment when the tire from the Boeing 777-200 came off the rear landing gear seconds after the plane took off. > Records show the plane was delivered from Boeing to United 22 years ago. This is a 20-year old 777, not a 737 MAX. Where did the title change come from?
- swader999 3y agoI think this is a separate incident, also from this week. Gonna need an app to keep up with this company.
- jaycroft 3y agoThere are two separate incidents here in the same article. Yesterday a tire was filmed falling off a 777 that was 20 years old. The 737 Max that rolled off the tarmac happened today.
- mihaaly 3y ago>> The Boeing 737 Max 8, carrying 160 passengers and six crew, was landing at George Bush intercontinental airport on Friday morning when it “left the pavement and entered the grass” while exiting the runway for the gate, airport officials said in an interview. <<
- ortusdux 3y agoAre the recent issues statistically significant or are people just paying more attention?
- reactordev 3y agoJust paying more attention.
- asciimov 3y agoYes the issues with the 737 Max 8 are significant. Major malfunctions are not the norm on airlines.
- brentm 3y agoThe door blowing out is something I'd blame on Boeing but these two incidents this week (tire falling off) and whatever happened here seem not likely their fault?
- eqvinox 3y agoI don't think the lost tyre qualifies for a major malfunction, and the greenery excursion might well be pilot error. The engine fire I'm not sure about, it being a 21yo plane. Give the NTSB some time for proper reports...
- bananapub 3y ago> I don't think the lost tyre qualifies for a major malfunction, a tyre dropping off in such a way that it could have easily killed several people doesn't count as a major malfunction to you?
- bobthepanda 3y agoif it went into the grass and the tire fell off that is a bit of a different situation. the landing gear is not meant to stay attached to the plane in all scenarios at all costs, and a 737 is not supposed to be an off road vehicle
- coolThingsFirst 3y agoSafest mode of travel strikes again
- mckn1ght 3y agoIf you say so. > The number of deaths per passenger-mile on commercial airlines in the United States between 2000 and 2010 was about 0.2 deaths per 10 billion passenger-miles. For driving, the rate was 150 per 10 billion vehicle-miles: 750 times higher per mile than for flying in a commercial airplane. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_safety_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_safety_in_the_U... I'll take 1:750 odds.
- coolThingsFirst 3y agoPer mile is a bad metric, why don’t you calculate per trip?
- mckn1ght 3y agoNot until you tell us why it is a bad metric.
- fifteen1506 3y agoWhy not spinoff the maintenance and responsibility of 737 MAX to Foeing and keep the profitable ones on Boeing? Management is being reckless with shareholder value by not doing that.
- usr1106 3y agoWheels are always weak spots of airplane. Incidents will happen. The same with compressor stalls. General media just like to produce headlines... Of course a door plug or manoevering system should not become a weak spot. And systematic failures of gears would also need attention. But a gear of a 737, a wheel of a 777 and an engine stall of yet another type have nothing to do with each other.
- FrustratedMonky 3y ago3 Incidents this week "A United Airlines Holdings aircraft ran off the taxiway into a grassy area after landing at Houston Friday, the third incident this week involving the airline's Boeing planes. From a report: United Flight 2477, with 160 passengers and six crew, had just landed at George Bush Intercontinental Airport about 8 a.m. local time Friday when it veered into the grass on a turn. No one was injured, and passengers left the plane on a set of stairs before being bused to the terminal, the airline said. The incident follows the mid-air loss of a tire from a United Boeing 777-200 Thursday, just after the plane took off from San Francisco on a flight to Osaka, Japan, and an engine fire on a United flight from Houston to Fort Myers, Florida, earlier this week. The plane in the Houston-to-Florida flight had to make an emergency landing after one of its engines burst into flames 10 minutes after takeoff. The 21-year-old aircraft was also a 737 -- but an earlier version than the Max, according to FlightRadar24. "
- lolinder 3y agoAll three of the incidents referenced in the lede were United Airlines flights, and to my uninformed eyes seem just as likely to be maintenance issues as manufacturing ones. Boeing is in the title because it understandably gets a lot of clicks lately, but in this case I wouldn't be surprised if these are a sign of bad maintenance on United planes.
- gopher_space 3y agoIf Boeing releases maintenance guidelines for a framistat, United Airlines will work towards those numbers. UA wouldn't double Boeing's framistat-related downtime guidelines without a really good reason, and this might lead to bad results if Boeing is wrong. I'm not suggesting this wasn't UA's fault, I'm saying the nature of fault is complicated and currently unidentified.
- lolinder 3y agoRight, which is pretty much all I'm saying as well. Because of how messed up Boeing is right now the initial reaction from casual observers is usually to blame Boeing, which may not actually be fair in this case.
- bombcar 3y agoIf I recall correctly, United only flies Boeings, so any United issues will also appear as Boeing issues. But these (so far) seem unrelated and would be unreported if it weren't for all the excitement around Boeings. See this report about something similar but for Airbus, released by a notoriously harsh Airbus commentator: https://safetyfirst.airbus.com/landing-with-nosewheels-at-90-degrees/ https://safetyfirst.airbus.com/landing-with-nosewheels-at-90... ;O
- Someone1234 3y ago> Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway This title implies an order of events that is wrong. It exited the runway likely too fast, went down a small grass embankment, and only then did the [left] "Landing gear fail." See pictures here: https://avherald.com/h?article=515e3618&opt=0 https://avherald.com/h?article=515e3618&opt=0 The article's actual title is more helpful: > Boeing 737 Max 8 ran off Texas runway into grass This happens semi-regularly. It is a huge PITA when a larger aircraft does it, since it can shut down runways or taxiways for half an hour or more. Happens a lot with snow, in particular as that can obscure the edge.
- spiffytech 3y agoI had no idea air traffic control recordings were public! "Interesting recordings" are available for download here: https://www.liveatc.net/recordings.php https://www.liveatc.net/recordings.php Direct mp3 link for the incident in question: https://forums.liveatc.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=17585.0;attach=12280 https://forums.liveatc.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1...
- throwawaymedic 3y agoThe formal recordings aren't. LiveATC recordings are provided by enthusiasts via scanners/SDRs set up near airports for the most part.
- oliv__ 3y agoThat website is very dangerous... Must not read before flying
- ridgeguy 3y agoIt is at least possible that the gear collapsed due to an attempt to turn onto a taxiway too sharply, at too high a speed. I'll wait for the investigation results. https://avherald.com/h?article=515e3618&opt=0 https://avherald.com/h?article=515e3618&opt=0
- kayodelycaon 3y agoI've subscribed to a bunch of ATC channels on YouTube for a while, minor incidents happen every day. Everyone is looking for Boeing planes getting in accidents and it's no surprise they find them. That said, Boeing lack-of-engineered themselves into this situation and I have zero sympathy.
- ChrisArchitect 3y agoUpdate title to remove landing gear failure reference: Boeing 737 Max 8 ran off Texas runway
- zymhan 3y agoThis article from yesterday is quite timely: > US NTSB probes 'stuck' rudder pedal issue on Boeing 737 MAX 8 flight > The safety board reported the captain said that during the landing rollout, the phase just after touchdown, the rudder pedals did not move in response to "normal" application of foot pressure while attempting to maintain the runway centerline. https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-ntsb-probes-stuck-rudder-pedal-issue-boeing-737-max-flight-2024-03-07/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-ntsb-p...
- CatWChainsaw 3y agoMy job just asked me to do a week across the country this summer. At this rate I'll be looking into the rates of passenger train crashes to see which is safer.
- basisword 3y agoCame to HN to see if there was any stories regarding the tyre/wheel falling off the Boeing 777 yesterday and find the story on a 737 MAX incident. Whether or not either of these incidents are Boeing's fault doesn't matter. Their public image has been destroyed.
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