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Idk if it's really conditioning you to their political beliefs with Gemini Images as much as "trying to follow all the modern takes on being non discriminatory

Idk if it's really conditioning you to their political beliefs with Gemini Images as much as "trying to follow all the modern takes on being non discriminatory AND advertiser AND good PR friendly in every way possible blindly". LLMs are like employees of the company except if the employee says/does something stupid that causes bad PR, you fire them. If the LLM causes something stupid, you are stuck with it and your company appears inept at it.

nonethewiser 3y ago
> “ trying to follow all the modern takes on being non discriminatory AND advertiser AND good PR friendly in every way possible blindly". Which advertisers find the existence of white people undesirable? Its clearly a marginal group of people broadcasting their marginal values.
- delfinom 3y ago
  That would fall under the non-discriminatory part of its training and whatever "modern takes" it was fed. If it was fed data from pre Musk twitter, lawd there is going to be some bad training data.
- mrkstu 3y ago
  I dunno, Bud Lite continues to slide into the abyss because the company is more afraid of going against the woke tide and apologizing- it would rather effectively lose in the market than dare to appear insufficiently enlightened.
  - unsupp0rted 3y ago
    Anheuser-Busch (Bud Lite) is actively course-correcting. For instance they hired Shane Gillis as their spokesperson/mascot/brand ambassador or something. Think of that what you will, but it does signal they see the problem and understand it's costing them money until they fix it.
- unsupp0rted 3y ago
  > Which advertisers find the existence of white people undesirable? It's so well understood that a white guy can't be the protagonist or audience surrogate in an ad that even mainstream SNL and Family Guy make throwaway jokes about it. Is there a white judge or doctor in an ad after the year 2000? Or even a non-incompetent white dad? Nobody ever got fired for making the protagonist not-a-white-man. Can you imagine a Canadian government PSA poster at a bus stop where the doctor on the poster is a white man? Largely, I don't mind this. Up until the 70s/80s, the reverse was true. Now the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction. Eventually it'll balance somewhere towards the center, where people of any color, gender or sexual orientation are allowed to be the bumbling fool in an ad.
bko 3y ago
I'm sorry but I just don't buy that. If you say show me a picture of person from background X and it refuses to oblige or gives you a misrepresentation , isn't that the definition of discrimination? Is denying the existence of some groups of people somehow friendly to advertisers? Who in the world is asking to show uniform distribution of some racial/gender groups in every image?
- polski-g 3y ago
  https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/think-of-the-poorest-person-you-have https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/think-of-the-poorest-pe... > If nothing else, bear in mind that an image generator that has its thumb so heavily on the scale is less useful for users of all races. (A Black kid who wants an image of a typical Scandinavian Viking for a history paper is not helped here.) ... But… what racism does it actually fight? Which Black person’s life is improved by pretending that there were Black Vikings? And this points to far broader and more important questions. We live in a world where fighting racism has gone from fighting for an economy where all Black families can put food on the table to white people acknowledging the land rights of dead Native Americans before they give conference panels about how to maximize synergy in corporate workflow. In a world of affinity groups, diversity pledges, and an obsession with language that tests the boundaries of the possible, we have to ask ourselves hard questions about what any of it actually accomplishes. Who is all of this shit for?
random9749832 3y ago
Look up social priming or even just about priming.
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nonethewiser 3y ago

> “ trying to follow all the modern takes on being non discriminatory AND advertiser AND good PR friendly in every way possible blindly". Which advertisers find the existence of white people undesirable? Its clearly a marginal group of people broadcasting their marginal values.

delfinom 3y ago
That would fall under the non-discriminatory part of its training and whatever "modern takes" it was fed. If it was fed data from pre Musk twitter, lawd there is going to be some bad training data.
mrkstu 3y ago
I dunno, Bud Lite continues to slide into the abyss because the company is more afraid of going against the woke tide and apologizing- it would rather effectively lose in the market than dare to appear insufficiently enlightened.
- unsupp0rted 3y ago
  Anheuser-Busch (Bud Lite) is actively course-correcting. For instance they hired Shane Gillis as their spokesperson/mascot/brand ambassador or something. Think of that what you will, but it does signal they see the problem and understand it's costing them money until they fix it.
unsupp0rted 3y ago
> Which advertisers find the existence of white people undesirable? It's so well understood that a white guy can't be the protagonist or audience surrogate in an ad that even mainstream SNL and Family Guy make throwaway jokes about it. Is there a white judge or doctor in an ad after the year 2000? Or even a non-incompetent white dad? Nobody ever got fired for making the protagonist not-a-white-man. Can you imagine a Canadian government PSA poster at a bus stop where the doctor on the poster is a white man? Largely, I don't mind this. Up until the 70s/80s, the reverse was true. Now the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction. Eventually it'll balance somewhere towards the center, where people of any color, gender or sexual orientation are allowed to be the bumbling fool in an ad.

bko 3y ago

I'm sorry but I just don't buy that. If you say show me a picture of person from background X and it refuses to oblige or gives you a misrepresentation , isn't that the definition of discrimination? Is denying the existence of some groups of people somehow friendly to advertisers? Who in the world is asking to show uniform distribution of some racial/gender groups in every image?

polski-g 3y ago
https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/think-of-the-poorest-person-you-have https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/think-of-the-poorest-pe... > If nothing else, bear in mind that an image generator that has its thumb so heavily on the scale is less useful for users of all races. (A Black kid who wants an image of a typical Scandinavian Viking for a history paper is not helped here.) ... But… what racism does it actually fight? Which Black person’s life is improved by pretending that there were Black Vikings? And this points to far broader and more important questions. We live in a world where fighting racism has gone from fighting for an economy where all Black families can put food on the table to white people acknowledging the land rights of dead Native Americans before they give conference panels about how to maximize synergy in corporate workflow. In a world of affinity groups, diversity pledges, and an obsession with language that tests the boundaries of the possible, we have to ask ourselves hard questions about what any of it actually accomplishes. Who is all of this shit for?

random9749832 3y ago

Look up social priming or even just about priming.

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