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Whatever his reason may be (like resentment for jumping off the ship too soon and missing out, or standing in for humanity), I like what I read in the sense tha

Whatever his reason may be (like resentment for jumping off the ship too soon and missing out, or standing in for humanity), I like what I read in the sense that it contains all the stuff that needs to be spoken about publicly, and the court seems to be the optimal place for this. It feels like Microsoft is misusing the partnership only to block other companies from having access to the IP. They said they don't need the partnership, that they have got all what they need, so there would be no need to have the partnership. If this is the way Microsoft misuses partnerships, I don't feel good about Mistral's new partnership, even if it means unlimited computing resources for them and still have the freedom to open source their models. Not seeing Mistral Large as an open source model now has a bitter taste to it. I also wonder if this lawsuit was the reason for him checking out Windows 11.

boringg 3y ago
I don't think he has any resentment about jumping off "too soon" as you say. He specifically abandoned ship because he didn't align with the organization anymore. I suspect this has been a long time coming given his public commentary on AI. He's goal on OpenAI investments were to keep close watch on the development of AI. If you believe the public comments or not is an entirely different matter though I do feel like there is sincerity in Elons AI comments.
- AndrewKemendo 3y ago
  I’d offer that Musk hasnt shown any consistent principle motivating his behavior other than gathering power, in the face of stated motivations. So while he may genuinely believe what he is saying, the inherent philosophical conflicts in his consistent narcissistic actions, have poisoned any other possible position to such an extent that he has lost all moral credibility Revealed preferences never lie
  - tim333 3y ago
    He seems to broadly pursue projects he considers helpful to humanity like sustainable energy, the multiplanetary thing and setting up OpenAI. You can interpret people's motivations in different ways but it doesn't look like just power gathering to me. I mean if he was that power hungry you'd expect him to try to monopolize AI for himself rather than make it open.
    - AndrewKemendo 3y ago
      What would it look like to monopolize AI for himself?
      - the_optimist 3y ago
        The guy literally donates to a non-profit the funds to open source the technology with a clear open and benevolent charter. And somehow you attach this to nefarious ends. Out of curiosity, what’s your converse? What do you actually think he would actually have done if he had sought to “monopolize AI for himself”? Seems to me it would most definitely not include what he did in this actual reality.
        AndrewKemendo 3y ago
        I asked simply to specify the argument criteria. You just went on a fallacy laden rant to redirect to me to define those criteria So can you clarify?
      - tim333 3y ago
        I think it would have looked a bit like what Sam is doing now - turning OpenAI to ClosedAI and having it run by himself.
    - Aeolun 3y ago
      That just sounds like a messiah complex to me? To be fair, in regards to his actual companies I don’t have much of a complaint, it’s his cult of personality that I can’t stand.
      - llamaLord 3y ago
        Yeah, but demonizing the individual because of the people who follow him is a bit logically inconsistent. Granted, he doesn't fully comprehend the impact things he says and does can have when they're amplified through the mountain of people that hang off his every word. But the dudes Autistic, it shouldn't surprise anyone that intuitively understanding and anticipating the inner workings of large amorphous social-structures isn't exactly his strongest skill.
vineyardmike 3y ago
> Not seeing Mistral Large as an open source model now has a bitter taste to it. A company needs a product to sell. If they give away everything, they have nothing to sell. This was surely always the plan. (1) They can give away the model but sell an API - but they can’t serve a model as cheap as Goog/Msft/Amzn who have better unit economics on their cloud and better pricing on GPUs (plus custom inference chips). (2) they can sell the model. In which case they can’t give it away for free. Unlike open source code, there probably isn’t a market for support and similar “upsells” yet.
- treesciencebot 3y ago
  > (1) They can give away the model but sell an API - but they can’t serve a model as cheap as Goog/Msft/Amzn who have better unit economics on their cloud and better pricing on GPUs (plus custom inference chips). Which has a simple solution, release the model weights with a license which doesn't let anyone to commercially host them (like AGPL-ish) without your permission. That is what Stability.ai does it.
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  - vineyardmike 3y ago
    But who cares? Like not morally-open-access-sounds-nice but actual impact. Open-access to these models is nice but only commercial enterprises can afford the compute requirements for a massive LLM. So an AGPL type model would just sit on the hard drives of like 30 people who have a hobby to heat their home with GPUs.
    - treesciencebot 3y ago
      It allows for research to continue, which might eventually benefit everyone. The primary advantage in my mind is giving academy a chance to learn from it and community to build cool stuff on top of it.
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xcv123 3y ago
> Whatever his reason may be The reason is that he was ruthlessly scammed by the sociopath CEO Sam Altman. "Mr. Musk founded and funded OpenAI, Inc. with Mr. Altman and Mr. Brockman in exchange for and relying on the Founding Agreement to ensure that AGI would benefit humanity, not for-profit corporations. As events turned out in 2023, his contributions to OpenAI, Inc. have been twisted to benefit the Defendants and the biggest company in the world. This was a stark betrayal of the Founding Agreement, turning that Agreement on its head and perverting OpenAI, Inc.’s mission. Imagine donating to a non-profit whose asserted mission is to protect the Amazon rainforest, but then the non-profit creates a for-profit Amazonian logging company that uses the fruits of the donations to clear the rainforest. That is the story of OpenAI, Inc." "Plaintiff reasonably relied on Defendants’ false promises to his detriment, ultimately providing tens of millions of dollars of funding to OpenAI, Inc., as well as his time and other resources, on the condition that OpenAI would remain a non-profit irrevocably dedicated to creating safe, open-source AGI for public benefit, only to then have OpenAI abandon its “irrevocable” non- profit mission, stop providing basic information to the public, and instead exclusively dedicate and license its AGI algorithms to the largest for-profit company in the world, precisely the opposite of the promises Defendants made to Plaintiff."
- buzzin__ 3y ago
  It's weird that you would say Altman is a sociopath without also mentioning that Musk is one as well. Musk is also a narcissist and you can't be one without also being a sociopath. Are you perhaps a member of the Musk cult of personality? Just trying to create informational balance.
  - xcv123 3y ago
    I have seen no evidence that Elon Musk is a sociopath. I prefer to base such decisions on logic and evidence. You have not provided evidence that he is a sociopath. So what "informational balance" are you providing exactly? Sam Altman asked Elon Musk to cofound OpenAI as a non-profit entity, and fund it with tens of millions of dollars, with the understanding that the research will be open to the public (hence "Open" AI). After taking tens of millions of dollars from Musk, Sam Altman then turned around and sold out to Microsoft, and effectively changed OpenAI to a for-profit entity which only serves to financially benefit Microsoft shareholders and Sam Altman himself. Elon Musk is now requesting that OpenAI disclose GPT-4 and their subsequent models inner workings to the public, for the benefit of humanity, in accordance with the OpenAI mission statement. How does this make Elon Musk a sociopath? Please explain. > Musk is also a narcissist and you can't be one without also being a sociopath. This is unscientific drivel. According to the DSM, Narcissism and Antisocial Personality Disorder (APD) are separate disorders within the Cluster B group. A person can have one or the other, or both. What exact criteria did you use to diagnose Musk with Narcissism and APD? I can't say that Sam Altman truly has APD, but he certainly matches this criteria from my perspective: "deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure" I believe what he did with OpenAI is a blatant and obvious con job, for his own personal gain.
asciii 3y ago
Elon kept funding the non-profit even though they had begun talks/investor discussions about the for-profit. I think an extra $3 million? Either way, I'm guessing he did not think the for-profit side would turn into a money printer.
- loceng 3y ago
  He knew the discussion was in regards to for-profit? Companies like Microsoft probably constantly are being courted to fund non-profit orgs.

boringg 3y ago

I don't think he has any resentment about jumping off "too soon" as you say. He specifically abandoned ship because he didn't align with the organization anymore. I suspect this has been a long time coming given his public commentary on AI. He's goal on OpenAI investments were to keep close watch on the development of AI. If you believe the public comments or not is an entirely different matter though I do feel like there is sincerity in Elons AI comments.

AndrewKemendo 3y ago
I’d offer that Musk hasnt shown any consistent principle motivating his behavior other than gathering power, in the face of stated motivations. So while he may genuinely believe what he is saying, the inherent philosophical conflicts in his consistent narcissistic actions, have poisoned any other possible position to such an extent that he has lost all moral credibility Revealed preferences never lie
- tim333 3y ago
  He seems to broadly pursue projects he considers helpful to humanity like sustainable energy, the multiplanetary thing and setting up OpenAI. You can interpret people's motivations in different ways but it doesn't look like just power gathering to me. I mean if he was that power hungry you'd expect him to try to monopolize AI for himself rather than make it open.
  - AndrewKemendo 3y ago
    What would it look like to monopolize AI for himself?
    - the_optimist 3y ago
      The guy literally donates to a non-profit the funds to open source the technology with a clear open and benevolent charter. And somehow you attach this to nefarious ends. Out of curiosity, what’s your converse? What do you actually think he would actually have done if he had sought to “monopolize AI for himself”? Seems to me it would most definitely not include what he did in this actual reality.
      - AndrewKemendo 3y ago
        I asked simply to specify the argument criteria. You just went on a fallacy laden rant to redirect to me to define those criteria So can you clarify?
    - tim333 3y ago
      I think it would have looked a bit like what Sam is doing now - turning OpenAI to ClosedAI and having it run by himself.
  - Aeolun 3y ago
    That just sounds like a messiah complex to me? To be fair, in regards to his actual companies I don’t have much of a complaint, it’s his cult of personality that I can’t stand.
    - llamaLord 3y ago
      Yeah, but demonizing the individual because of the people who follow him is a bit logically inconsistent. Granted, he doesn't fully comprehend the impact things he says and does can have when they're amplified through the mountain of people that hang off his every word. But the dudes Autistic, it shouldn't surprise anyone that intuitively understanding and anticipating the inner workings of large amorphous social-structures isn't exactly his strongest skill.

vineyardmike 3y ago

> Not seeing Mistral Large as an open source model now has a bitter taste to it. A company needs a product to sell. If they give away everything, they have nothing to sell. This was surely always the plan. (1) They can give away the model but sell an API - but they can’t serve a model as cheap as Goog/Msft/Amzn who have better unit economics on their cloud and better pricing on GPUs (plus custom inference chips). (2) they can sell the model. In which case they can’t give it away for free. Unlike open source code, there probably isn’t a market for support and similar “upsells” yet.

treesciencebot 3y ago
> (1) They can give away the model but sell an API - but they can’t serve a model as cheap as Goog/Msft/Amzn who have better unit economics on their cloud and better pricing on GPUs (plus custom inference chips). Which has a simple solution, release the model weights with a license which doesn't let anyone to commercially host them (like AGPL-ish) without your permission. That is what Stability.ai does it.
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- vineyardmike 3y ago
  But who cares? Like not morally-open-access-sounds-nice but actual impact. Open-access to these models is nice but only commercial enterprises can afford the compute requirements for a massive LLM. So an AGPL type model would just sit on the hard drives of like 30 people who have a hobby to heat their home with GPUs.
  - treesciencebot 3y ago
    It allows for research to continue, which might eventually benefit everyone. The primary advantage in my mind is giving academy a chance to learn from it and community to build cool stuff on top of it.
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xcv123 3y ago

> Whatever his reason may be The reason is that he was ruthlessly scammed by the sociopath CEO Sam Altman. "Mr. Musk founded and funded OpenAI, Inc. with Mr. Altman and Mr. Brockman in exchange for and relying on the Founding Agreement to ensure that AGI would benefit humanity, not for-profit corporations. As events turned out in 2023, his contributions to OpenAI, Inc. have been twisted to benefit the Defendants and the biggest company in the world. This was a stark betrayal of the Founding Agreement, turning that Agreement on its head and perverting OpenAI, Inc.’s mission. Imagine donating to a non-profit whose asserted mission is to protect the Amazon rainforest, but then the non-profit creates a for-profit Amazonian logging company that uses the fruits of the donations to clear the rainforest. That is the story of OpenAI, Inc." "Plaintiff reasonably relied on Defendants’ false promises to his detriment, ultimately providing tens of millions of dollars of funding to OpenAI, Inc., as well as his time and other resources, on the condition that OpenAI would remain a non-profit irrevocably dedicated to creating safe, open-source AGI for public benefit, only to then have OpenAI abandon its “irrevocable” non- profit mission, stop providing basic information to the public, and instead exclusively dedicate and license its AGI algorithms to the largest for-profit company in the world, precisely the opposite of the promises Defendants made to Plaintiff."

buzzin__ 3y ago
It's weird that you would say Altman is a sociopath without also mentioning that Musk is one as well. Musk is also a narcissist and you can't be one without also being a sociopath. Are you perhaps a member of the Musk cult of personality? Just trying to create informational balance.
- xcv123 3y ago
  I have seen no evidence that Elon Musk is a sociopath. I prefer to base such decisions on logic and evidence. You have not provided evidence that he is a sociopath. So what "informational balance" are you providing exactly? Sam Altman asked Elon Musk to cofound OpenAI as a non-profit entity, and fund it with tens of millions of dollars, with the understanding that the research will be open to the public (hence "Open" AI). After taking tens of millions of dollars from Musk, Sam Altman then turned around and sold out to Microsoft, and effectively changed OpenAI to a for-profit entity which only serves to financially benefit Microsoft shareholders and Sam Altman himself. Elon Musk is now requesting that OpenAI disclose GPT-4 and their subsequent models inner workings to the public, for the benefit of humanity, in accordance with the OpenAI mission statement. How does this make Elon Musk a sociopath? Please explain. > Musk is also a narcissist and you can't be one without also being a sociopath. This is unscientific drivel. According to the DSM, Narcissism and Antisocial Personality Disorder (APD) are separate disorders within the Cluster B group. A person can have one or the other, or both. What exact criteria did you use to diagnose Musk with Narcissism and APD? I can't say that Sam Altman truly has APD, but he certainly matches this criteria from my perspective: "deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure" I believe what he did with OpenAI is a blatant and obvious con job, for his own personal gain.

asciii 3y ago

Elon kept funding the non-profit even though they had begun talks/investor discussions about the for-profit. I think an extra $3 million? Either way, I'm guessing he did not think the for-profit side would turn into a money printer.

loceng 3y ago
He knew the discussion was in regards to for-profit? Companies like Microsoft probably constantly are being courted to fund non-profit orgs.