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Revealed: The names linked to ClothOff, the deepfake pornography app
- spaceman_2020 3y agoAs the father of a baby girl, the future scares me sometimes. I don’t want the internet to be an over regulated, bureaucratic mess, but the way AI is going, it might just have to be. Deepfakes, voice clones, extremely sophisticated hacks and phishing…it looks scarier than ever.
- dr_kiszonka 3y agoI am in a similar situation. One good thing that all these deepfakes _might_ bring is that sexual extortion will not be an issue anymore because noone will believe that video is real. (I am using this definition: https://www.esafety.gov.au/key-topics/image-based-abuse/deal-with-sextortion https://www.esafety.gov.au/key-topics/image-based-abuse/deal....)
- saurik 3y agoYeah: isn't this in some sense great? If you search for someone and add "naked photo" to the end and literally everyone has an infinite amount of fake porn of them, unless the people in these threads about AI generated non-porn images who think they are "helping" by suggesting crazy DRM-ridden techniques like cryptographically signed cameras, revenge porn, leaks, extortion... these are all dead as your "real" images might just as well be fake.
- bozhark 3y agoWhat, for all thoughts and purpose, would you think any regulation would stop any of this?
- jenadine 3y agoWhat kind of regulations do you have in mind?
- tomjen3 3y agoThe benefit is that no matter what you do you (and your little girl) can always claim its just a fake. But also consider how much changed in the last 18 years. Then think about how much may change before your baby girl is all grown up. You will have plenty of new and different things to worry about.
- mkoryak 3y agoWhen we had kids, my partner and I decided that we would never upload their pictures to any social media sites, or any other semi-public sites. It was a good idea, and now it's becoming an even better idea.
- vincnetas 3y agoAre you looking at photos of other people on internet/public space? Categorical imperative in your case would be Internet/public space without any human photography. Not sure if this is the solution.
- Ferret7446 3y agoI think you're misunderstanding this turn of events, now is the best time to upload your pictures, because all pictures (and videos) are now considered suspect by default. And it's not really avoidable I think; your face has been leaked to many places already; you'd have to be quite optimistic to think otherwise.
- Ekaros 3y agoI have avoided uploading my pictures on Internet for past 20 years... Looks like I have made right move.
- apantel 3y agoWe are going down the rabbit hole big time.
- Silasdev 3y agoIt's inevitable. We are in a normalization phase right now. Soon, kids will just shrug at stuff like that, because they will all know it's likely fake and therefore not care much about it. However, I feel really bad for those who has to be the ones to go through the pain of this phase though.
- incompatible 3y agoSure, it's fake, it's really nothing more than an automated artistic impression. It could always have been done by a human artist, but most people wouldn't have the skills. It's not much different to using an image editor to stick a person's head onto somebody else's body, which is so old that it's "normalized" and no longer of much interest.
- knodi123 3y ago> no longer of much interest Except, of course, it's of huge interest to the target. No different than before.
- solardev 3y agoWe're probably, what, a year or two away from oversaturation and normalization? It kinda seems like we're just hurtling towards a banal dystopia, where everything is hyper-real and everyone is just desensitized anyway. People on the subway just sit there, wearing their AR goggles and undressing everyone else, with their apps' horniness sliders turned up to max and porn sounds leaking out of shitty headphones. That guy across from you is whacking off again, just like last week, and you just groan, walk to the next train, and catch up on that show. Your kid is called into the principal's office again. The bully posted nudes, so your kid posted even more nudes, with the bully and the principal doing things that someone with your lower-body flexibility never thought possible. You didn't even know that was a fetish. But ugh, not this talk again. Between the faux outrage and the condescending morality talk, they've heard it all a thousand times. It's not like the adults can do anything about it anyway. Can we go home now? This is more embarrassing than the pictures themselves.
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- neom 3y agoAI-generated fake nude photos of girls from Winnipeg school posted online: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/artificial-intelligence-nude-doctored-photos-students-high-school-winnipeg-1.7060569 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/artificial-intellige...
- solardev 3y agoRisky click of the day?
- red-iron-pine 3y agocbc.ca is Canadian state run news.
- Animats 3y agoThis is just annoying. It's fake evidence that's a big worry. Not much from a camera can be trusted any more.
- leobg 3y agoIt’s always been an illusion that you can draw conclusions from light that hit a film or sensor for 10 milliseconds. Ever noticed how difficult it is to take a snapshot where all the people involved don’t have some weird expression on their faces? Well, news media have been abusing snapshots of such “weird faces“ all the time. Tesla stock down? Frowning Elon pic it is! Let’s not even talk about fashion models or McDonald’s product photography. AI is now just driving that hole notion ad absurdum to a point where no one can stay naive about it any longer.
- Nevermark 3y agoI have to think that soon nobody is going to care, because that’s the only real solution. The law should forbid/punish harassment, and children need to learn not to harass. But the cost of generic-task photo manipulation, like this, is going to zero. We are only one browser “no cloth” plugin away from being able to surf a world of nude people. Most people are going to take this stuff as seriously as someone drawing horns or a mustache on a picture of them.
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- ako 3y agoMaybe we should just all flood the internet with fake pictures/videos of ourselves, faces on top of the most beautiful bodies that can be imagined. This way everyone seeing it will know it’s fake, and start to ignore it. I don’t really see the harm of a nude picture…
- iforgotpassword 3y agoI, as a male adult, wouldn't care. I can totally see teens commiting suicide over this.
- ako 3y agoI can see teens upset about it, but maybe instead of fighting fake nudes on the internet, we should teach teens to not care so much. As a child I went to a nudist camping in the summer with my parents, and at times it was difficult. I’d walk around with a towel, or with shorts. But over time it helps you overcome seeing nude as a problem.
- asadotzler 3y agoYes, rather than fixing a near term tractable problem, we should figure out how to rewire kids brains so they don't feel shame at bullying, something that's been an immovable object for as long as we've cared about paying attention to kids. That's some galaxy brain thinking.
- saurik 3y agoHow is the problem of putting this genie back in the bottle even remotely "tractable"? Is your plan to jump on the DRM bandwagon and outlaw general purpose computers?
- ein0p 3y agoYou can do this with software and models off GitHub quite easily. My wife and I tried it, and it inpaints a body that, while seamless and realistic, looks nothing like her own. In fact changing clothes looks much more realistic (you can do that too, with the same software). It’s gotten to the point where 4chan folks are trying to start a trend they call “DignifAI”, and put clothes onto naked pictures of women from OnlyFans and inpaint cute kids in their arms. Would that be called non-consensual dignity, I wonder?
- rpmisms 3y agoDignifAI is probably the most hilarious result of this whole ai image gen thing. It's quite good, too. Also, apparently people get mad when they're DignifAI'd, and I don't understand why.
- unsupp0rted 3y agoSame reason they’d get mad at the reverse: they don’t like other people messing with their autonomy.
- prepend 3y agoImages of me are not me. Getting mad because someone is thinking of me seems like a fruitless endeavor. Distributing porn of people is quite emotional and a different story. But changing people’s clothes and adding babies seems like something that should bother no one. But I think some people have their image linked to their identity and it’s a big deal for them. When I first got a scanner and laser printer in the late 80s, my brother and I scanned a photo of my mom and edited her face onto a Griffin battlemech from the FASA miniature game Battletech (a 55-ton giant robot with guns and missles and stuff basically copied from Robotech). I printed it out and gave it to her and was pretty proud of how cool it looked. But she burst into tears and was so upset the we would “do that to her.” Totally different from my intent and expectation and how I would react. This is the first time I realized that people have very different associations of images of them and self identity.
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- verisimi 3y agoThe thing is, is this story even true? We know that media outlets want some sort of legislative process that will designate their content as truth (tm), to create a sort of moat from unsanctioned information. To get support for that, you need the stories. This story reads like investigative journalism, but is it really? The journalism seems self-serving. Real, free investigators would research even the 'good guys' (tm) - eg they would have connected zelensky to the Panama papers or whatever other scandals there are. It seems the media only research when it is in their favour, and yet we are meant to think they are appropriate handlers of truth. The chutzpah is quite funny.