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Reddit continually conflates the Internet with WWW. If they got off their virtual asses and tried to explore USENET they wouldn't be so depressed about their "d
by 1970-01-01 3y ago
Reddit continually conflates the Internet with WWW. If they got off their virtual asses and tried to explore USENET they wouldn't be so depressed about their "dead internet theory".
- keiferski 3y agoIt's perfectly reasonably to consider the Internet as the thing 99.999% of the population uses, and not relatively obscure and technologist-only things like USENET.
- 1970-01-01 3y agoNow you need to say the same thing about App stores. Since 99% of the population uses Google or Apple Apps, is it still perfectly reasonable to consider these gateways ontop of the Internet or are they "the Internet"?
- keiferski 3y agoThey don't use apps or Google exclusively, and also use the browser. Most people have never even heard of USENET. I'm really not sure what argument you're trying to make here.
- 1970-01-01 3y ago>They don't use apps or Google exclusively, This is somewhat false. By that I mean you are off by a few billion. Browser users are nowhere near the app user counts: https://techreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/REDDIT-quarterly-ACTIVE-USERS-q2-2021-q1-2022-BY-DEVICE.png https://techreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/REDDIT-qua...
- keiferski 3y agoThat graphic says mobile, not app. I certainly use the browser to look at Reddit on my phone all the time and have never installed the app.
- 1970-01-01 3y agoSo to answer your question, my overall point is that a redditor's experiences are generally doubly enshittified before they actually get to the content. First via their ad tracking and privacy-leaking-as-default mobile device, and second via their small 4" screen and just as horrible reddit app. They dismiss these two transparent enshittifiers as "just part of the dead Internet" when it's clearly not.
- add-sub-mul-div 3y agoIt is tragic that so many people are unaware of or uninterested in the fact that they're not allowed/encouraged to run software that Apple and Google haven't given them permission to use.
- kotaKat 3y agoWhat USENET? The one my ISP took away from me before I ever got the chance to experience it? The USENET that's today basically just a venue for piracy?
- jhbadger 3y agoWhile the Internet certainly is more than the Web, the whole reason people are here on HN and on Reddit is because unlike 20 years years ago USENET is basically a ghosttown (other than the people using it for piracy). Or maybe that's your point? That while the Web isn't what it was, USENET is an example of how things could get even worse?
- jerf 3y agoIf they got off their virtual asses and explored USENET at scale, then guess who/what would follow them right on to USENET? USENET is only what it is precisely because "nobody" uses it. And what it is isn't exactly a utopia anyhow. Nowadays you have to build out a network with the explicit design goal of preventing this from happening, and execute on it skillfully.
- jameshart 3y agoBecause they would know that all this has happened before? That it was always spam and trolls?
- shrimp_emoji 3y agoWhat's a USENET?
- NikkiA 3y agoUsenet is full of useless spam too.