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Man Running AI-Powered Porn Site Horrified by What Users Are Asking For

31 points by pg_1234 3y ago

johnny99k 3y ago
"AI can’t replace [adult] performers, and people who say that are misunderstanding what performers do" I disagree. You are just watching it on a screen. If it looks realistic enough and you can generate anything you desire, it will put the adult industry out of business. There are already countless numbers of TikTok influencers that are AI generated and men continue to send them messages, watch videos/pictures as if they were real. This is only the very beginning stages of this revolution.
- SJC_Hacker 3y ago
  Some of the animated stuff is way better than some of the real stuff could ever be, but I'm not sure that it can replace human performers totally, at least not yet. Still need the voice acting at least sometimes.
- quantified 3y ago
  Crucial advances to consumer adoption of tech have had porn leasing the way. Certainly advances have been leveraged by the porn market quickly. This one should be interesting.
  - themoonisachees 3y ago
    The betamax/VHS thing isn't really true by the way. Yes, betamax didn't have porn, but if VHS was never popular it wouldn't have either beyond very small productions. Porn goes to where the users are, because that's where they will pay for it.
- calamari4065 3y ago
  Porn exists in literally every medium human beings have ever used. Sculpture, paintings, photography, phone calls, audio clips, drawings, animations, text, video games, 8mm film, digital video. If there exists a way to transmit information from one human to another, it has been used for porn. AI can replace porn stars in exactly the same way that drawn or animated porn does.
  - logtempo 3y ago
    for a moment, I've read porn stars as physically stars (which transmit information if you do research)...though there was idk an ai that link stars to do porn-astrology? Or that detect gas clouds that have a porn-compatible shape? sometimes, a second is long enough to have weird ideas ahahah
  - defrost 3y ago
    Conspirators of Pleasure by Jan Švankmajer enters the conversation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspirators_of_Pleasure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspirators_of_Pleasure
    - morbicer 3y ago
      Can't upvote more. Very bizarre cult classic. Probably hard to find though.
- add-sub-mul-div 3y ago
  AI is exposing a fascinating dichotomy, between those who consider art uninteresting without the context of human creation and intention behind it, and those who take art solely as its surface without caring about its context or subtext.
  - salawat 3y ago
    This is a great conversation to essentially send up fireworks in a philosophy of art class.
  - rgmerk 3y ago
    I think the history of art, particularly after the invention of photography, suggests that the context is all-important. I suspect context is also more important to pornography than some here are prepared to give credit for.
- rgmerk 3y ago
  I doubt it. For some people, at least, the fantasy won’t be complete without the knowledge that real people actually did/are doing whatever act it is that floats their personal boat.
  - scarmig 3y ago
    Hosting sites will simply advertise AI-generated porn as real people. Or the videos will go through a chain of transfers that give the sites plausible deniability for the false advertising. AI-generated stuff will outcompete human-generated stuff, because it's cheaper to make an infinitely customizable. If someone wants a perfect body and face doing acrobatic sex in high def, AI can do that, and better than humans can. If someone wants realistic, amateurish girl-next-door stuff, AI can do that too, and every bit as much better than humans can the unrealistic stuff.
    - xetplan 3y ago
      It will also be no problem making a video look like it was shot on a camcorder in 1996. That is what still blows my mind about Midjourney images. Not just that it can do photo realism but photo realism as if it was shot on a specific type of film. In ten years no one will care about the difference because years will have passed by then with people not knowing what was real vs AI.
  - guiambros 3y ago
    Once it gets past the uncanny valley, how would you even know? It won't happen overnight, but I think this is a one-way street. It already started on Instagram, it'll expand next to short-form video, and, with time, full movies. The curation and direction will still be human-led (or at least influenced), but characters and execution will be heavily AI-based. And I'm not talking about porn only. I bet in the next 2-5 years we'll be watching lonelygirl15[1] season 2, made by AI. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonelygirl15 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonelygirl15
- themoonisachees 3y ago
  The person who said this is also the managing director of an adult performer management agency, so of course they're gonna think that. Whether or not it is true is irrelevant, they were gonna say that regardless.
russellbeattie 3y ago
How can someone running a porn website not not know about Rule 34?
- KatyaV 3y ago
  I guess he anticipated it to an extent, but theory always pales in comparison to experiencing reality. And not just the reality of knowing it’s out there, but being asked to produce it…
the_shivers 3y ago
Weird that it doesn't even name the porn site in question. Overall this seems like pearl clutching. It's just pixels and text. Perhaps the easily horrified should avoid trying to run porn websites.
- BoorishBears 3y ago
  I ran into something like this for an AI story generation site I run and despite not being easily horrified and generally bracing myself for misuse... I was horrified. In theory I'm in the "it's not real people" camp, but when you see users intentionally generating CSAM, even if it's all made up text, it's impossible to not feel like leaving them to their devices would be tantamount to enabling a pedophile. And I imagine it feels 100x worse the moment images get involved. - And an aside, but as a result of my experience running that site I personally look sideways at anyone I see being obsessive about local LLMs for roleplay. It seems like the people who would rail the most about privacy on the site (drilling me about the ToS, what can I see, etc.) were the people most likely to be doing this stuff. "If you have nothing to hide" is again, not a mentality I generally buy into, but it really played out here, and I think the people most obsessed with secrecy for their "adult use" of generative AI are currently a group of people you don't want to cater to if you can avoid it.
  - prirun 3y ago
    I don't know the answer to this question, but isn't it possibly better (less dangerous to society) for a pedophile to have a computer screen that generates pictures to satisfy his cravings, regardless of how disturbing they may be to others, rather than trying to satisfy them in the real world with real people? I guess one could argue that having access to digital images could increase a pedophile's cravings. I don't know if there are any factual studies or data to confirm or refute this. It's often bandied about that one reason young people aren't having as much sex is because porn is so easily accessible. If true, it seems that would apply to pedophiles as well.
    - deterministic 3y ago
akuchling 3y ago
Gift link to the original Washington Post story: https://wapo.st/49H3K0Q https://wapo.st/49H3K0Q
wormius 3y ago
Imagine building a full-ass AI site and not ever having heard of Rule 34. What kind of Jr Devs are we breeding? (answer: the same kind we always have).
hwbunny 3y ago
Oh the AI generated porn content are at best ridiculous levels right now.

31 points by pg_1234 3y ago

"AI can’t replace [adult] performers, and people who say that are misunderstanding what performers do" I disagree. You are just watching it on a screen. If it looks realistic enough and you can generate anything you desire, it will put the adult industry out of business. There are already countless numbers of TikTok influencers that are AI generated and men continue to send them messages, watch videos/pictures as if they were real. This is only the very beginning stages of this revolution.

SJC_Hacker 3y ago
Some of the animated stuff is way better than some of the real stuff could ever be, but I'm not sure that it can replace human performers totally, at least not yet. Still need the voice acting at least sometimes.
quantified 3y ago
Crucial advances to consumer adoption of tech have had porn leasing the way. Certainly advances have been leveraged by the porn market quickly. This one should be interesting.
- themoonisachees 3y ago
  The betamax/VHS thing isn't really true by the way. Yes, betamax didn't have porn, but if VHS was never popular it wouldn't have either beyond very small productions. Porn goes to where the users are, because that's where they will pay for it.
calamari4065 3y ago
Porn exists in literally every medium human beings have ever used. Sculpture, paintings, photography, phone calls, audio clips, drawings, animations, text, video games, 8mm film, digital video. If there exists a way to transmit information from one human to another, it has been used for porn. AI can replace porn stars in exactly the same way that drawn or animated porn does.
- logtempo 3y ago
  for a moment, I've read porn stars as physically stars (which transmit information if you do research)...though there was idk an ai that link stars to do porn-astrology? Or that detect gas clouds that have a porn-compatible shape? sometimes, a second is long enough to have weird ideas ahahah
- defrost 3y ago
  Conspirators of Pleasure by Jan Švankmajer enters the conversation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspirators_of_Pleasure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspirators_of_Pleasure
  - morbicer 3y ago
    Can't upvote more. Very bizarre cult classic. Probably hard to find though.
add-sub-mul-div 3y ago
AI is exposing a fascinating dichotomy, between those who consider art uninteresting without the context of human creation and intention behind it, and those who take art solely as its surface without caring about its context or subtext.
- salawat 3y ago
  This is a great conversation to essentially send up fireworks in a philosophy of art class.
- rgmerk 3y ago
  I think the history of art, particularly after the invention of photography, suggests that the context is all-important. I suspect context is also more important to pornography than some here are prepared to give credit for.
rgmerk 3y ago
I doubt it. For some people, at least, the fantasy won’t be complete without the knowledge that real people actually did/are doing whatever act it is that floats their personal boat.
- scarmig 3y ago
  Hosting sites will simply advertise AI-generated porn as real people. Or the videos will go through a chain of transfers that give the sites plausible deniability for the false advertising. AI-generated stuff will outcompete human-generated stuff, because it's cheaper to make an infinitely customizable. If someone wants a perfect body and face doing acrobatic sex in high def, AI can do that, and better than humans can. If someone wants realistic, amateurish girl-next-door stuff, AI can do that too, and every bit as much better than humans can the unrealistic stuff.
  - xetplan 3y ago
    It will also be no problem making a video look like it was shot on a camcorder in 1996. That is what still blows my mind about Midjourney images. Not just that it can do photo realism but photo realism as if it was shot on a specific type of film. In ten years no one will care about the difference because years will have passed by then with people not knowing what was real vs AI.
- guiambros 3y ago
  Once it gets past the uncanny valley, how would you even know? It won't happen overnight, but I think this is a one-way street. It already started on Instagram, it'll expand next to short-form video, and, with time, full movies. The curation and direction will still be human-led (or at least influenced), but characters and execution will be heavily AI-based. And I'm not talking about porn only. I bet in the next 2-5 years we'll be watching lonelygirl15[1] season 2, made by AI. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonelygirl15 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonelygirl15
themoonisachees 3y ago
The person who said this is also the managing director of an adult performer management agency, so of course they're gonna think that. Whether or not it is true is irrelevant, they were gonna say that regardless.

russellbeattie 3y ago

How can someone running a porn website not not know about Rule 34?

KatyaV 3y ago
I guess he anticipated it to an extent, but theory always pales in comparison to experiencing reality. And not just the reality of knowing it’s out there, but being asked to produce it…

the_shivers 3y ago

Weird that it doesn't even name the porn site in question. Overall this seems like pearl clutching. It's just pixels and text. Perhaps the easily horrified should avoid trying to run porn websites.

BoorishBears 3y ago
I ran into something like this for an AI story generation site I run and despite not being easily horrified and generally bracing myself for misuse... I was horrified. In theory I'm in the "it's not real people" camp, but when you see users intentionally generating CSAM, even if it's all made up text, it's impossible to not feel like leaving them to their devices would be tantamount to enabling a pedophile. And I imagine it feels 100x worse the moment images get involved. - And an aside, but as a result of my experience running that site I personally look sideways at anyone I see being obsessive about local LLMs for roleplay. It seems like the people who would rail the most about privacy on the site (drilling me about the ToS, what can I see, etc.) were the people most likely to be doing this stuff. "If you have nothing to hide" is again, not a mentality I generally buy into, but it really played out here, and I think the people most obsessed with secrecy for their "adult use" of generative AI are currently a group of people you don't want to cater to if you can avoid it.
- prirun 3y ago
  I don't know the answer to this question, but isn't it possibly better (less dangerous to society) for a pedophile to have a computer screen that generates pictures to satisfy his cravings, regardless of how disturbing they may be to others, rather than trying to satisfy them in the real world with real people? I guess one could argue that having access to digital images could increase a pedophile's cravings. I don't know if there are any factual studies or data to confirm or refute this. It's often bandied about that one reason young people aren't having as much sex is because porn is so easily accessible. If true, it seems that would apply to pedophiles as well.
  - deterministic 3y ago

akuchling 3y ago

Gift link to the original Washington Post story: https://wapo.st/49H3K0Q https://wapo.st/49H3K0Q

wormius 3y ago

Imagine building a full-ass AI site and not ever having heard of Rule 34. What kind of Jr Devs are we breeding? (answer: the same kind we always have).

hwbunny 3y ago

Oh the AI generated porn content are at best ridiculous levels right now.