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As always with western countries the political class will simply fill the void with more and more immigrants rather than fixing the core issues like living cost

by kinpy 3y ago

As always with western countries the political class will simply fill the void with more and more immigrants rather than fixing the core issues like living costs or crime. The people are there to serve the economy. Immigrants are treated better than the natives. Houses are casinos rather than homes. The old are more important than young. Sameness is valued over variety. Those questioning it are labeled 'far' or 'extreme' by the same media whom just happen to benefit from the economic growth created by the status quo. Get back in your Overton box. Jeffery needs a new rocket and there is a new dance meme on TikTok.

password54321 3y ago
There is already child benefits. Most of the natives you speak of are just lazy because they live in a low pressure environment.
- Hucklederry 3y ago
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  - password54321 3y ago
    Don't know about you but every top university I went to had tons of people from overseas. The opposite is true for mid-tier universities. I wonder why that is...
webnrrd2k 3y ago
I don't know about the 'always' thing... In the US, the Republicans have been solidly anti-immagramt for a while now. I think a few other countries have had a conservative anti-immagrant platform as well. I think it's a fairly foolish and self-defeating position in the long term, but I'm not the one making those decisions.
- x86x87 3y ago
  Hah. Anti-immigration but more or less on a path to ban abortions. I'll let you do the math and find the sinister reason behind why they are forcing the poorest people to reproduce.
- ADeerAppeared 3y ago
  "Anti-immigration" politics is a red-herring. Look at the UK post brexit. Immigration went up, by more than mainland europe. (And before the invasion of Ukraine) Even for the far-right political movements, immigration is too favourable to actually stop. They're populists who sell cheap lies rather than actual solutions. Trump's not going to deprive his rural farmer voting blocs nor his big corporate sponsors of their cheap labour. Europe's far-right is even more closely allied with farmers right now. The populists just virtue signal a bunch without doing anything about the problem.
ashconnor 3y ago
Sure countries use immigration as a way to quickly fill labor gaps in a country. Why wouldn't they take advantage of a population that costs essentially zero and becomes a tax paying member of society as soon as they're employed? > Immigrants are treated better than the natives This is where economic reality meets far-right conspiracy. You're going to have to substantiate that claim.
- ryan_lane 3y ago
  > This is where economic reality meets far-right conspiracy. You're going to have to substantiate that claim. This person is a nationalist. Their goal is to spread hate about immigrants.
  - ashconnor 3y ago
    Clearly. Wanted to give them an opportunity to discredit themselves further.
jseliger 3y ago
The actual core issue is the cost of housing: https://www.viewfromcullingworth.com/p/there-is-nothing-except-political https://www.viewfromcullingworth.com/p/there-is-nothing-exce...
tw04 3y ago
I'm struggling to count the ways you're contradicting yourself. >As always with western countries the political class will simply fill the void with more and more immigrants rather than fixing the core issues like living costs or crime. Righttt... because politicians' primary goal is to cater to the people that can't actually vote for them or keep them in power. >The people are there to serve the economy. Immigrants are treated better than the natives. Houses are casinos rather than homes. In what country are "immigrants treated better than natives" - and how so? I can't think of a single country where immigrants have more rights, or access to more social programs than citizens. >The old are more important than young. Sure, because as a percentage of the population, they vote in higher numbers. Of course they're generally more likely to be against immigration so your mental gymnastics are straining hard. >Sameness is valued over variety. So they simultaneously want to fill the country with immigrants from myriad cultures, while making everything the same? I can think of a lot of ways to make everything in your country the same - preferring immigrants from other cultures over citizens that probably have at least some shared culture would not make the top 100 of that list. >Those questioning it are labeled 'far' or 'extreme' by the same media whom just happen to benefit from the economic growth created by the status quo. Get back in your Overton box. Jeffery needs a new rocket and there is a new dance meme on TikTok. Well right, because they're racist tropes, and as evidenced by your post tend to contradict themselves unironically. The fact you think politicians are simultaneously catering to old people and immigrants is... interesting to say the least.
x86x87 3y ago
Nah. This does not work if the conditions the immigrants get are shittier than in their country of origin. Why would anyone move?
globalnode 3y ago
money means more to the power holders than anything else. remember that and you'll instantly understand the world.
cortesoft 3y ago
> Immigrants are treated better than the natives. This is a very bold statement to just put out there with zero explanation.

by kinpy 3y ago

password54321 3y ago

There is already child benefits. Most of the natives you speak of are just lazy because they live in a low pressure environment.

Hucklederry 3y ago
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- password54321 3y ago
  Don't know about you but every top university I went to had tons of people from overseas. The opposite is true for mid-tier universities. I wonder why that is...

webnrrd2k 3y ago

I don't know about the 'always' thing... In the US, the Republicans have been solidly anti-immagramt for a while now. I think a few other countries have had a conservative anti-immagrant platform as well. I think it's a fairly foolish and self-defeating position in the long term, but I'm not the one making those decisions.

x86x87 3y ago
Hah. Anti-immigration but more or less on a path to ban abortions. I'll let you do the math and find the sinister reason behind why they are forcing the poorest people to reproduce.
ADeerAppeared 3y ago
"Anti-immigration" politics is a red-herring. Look at the UK post brexit. Immigration went up, by more than mainland europe. (And before the invasion of Ukraine) Even for the far-right political movements, immigration is too favourable to actually stop. They're populists who sell cheap lies rather than actual solutions. Trump's not going to deprive his rural farmer voting blocs nor his big corporate sponsors of their cheap labour. Europe's far-right is even more closely allied with farmers right now. The populists just virtue signal a bunch without doing anything about the problem.

ashconnor 3y ago

Sure countries use immigration as a way to quickly fill labor gaps in a country. Why wouldn't they take advantage of a population that costs essentially zero and becomes a tax paying member of society as soon as they're employed? > Immigrants are treated better than the natives This is where economic reality meets far-right conspiracy. You're going to have to substantiate that claim.

ryan_lane 3y ago
> This is where economic reality meets far-right conspiracy. You're going to have to substantiate that claim. This person is a nationalist. Their goal is to spread hate about immigrants.
- ashconnor 3y ago
  Clearly. Wanted to give them an opportunity to discredit themselves further.

jseliger 3y ago

The actual core issue is the cost of housing: https://www.viewfromcullingworth.com/p/there-is-nothing-except-political https://www.viewfromcullingworth.com/p/there-is-nothing-exce...

tw04 3y ago

I'm struggling to count the ways you're contradicting yourself. >As always with western countries the political class will simply fill the void with more and more immigrants rather than fixing the core issues like living costs or crime. Righttt... because politicians' primary goal is to cater to the people that can't actually vote for them or keep them in power. >The people are there to serve the economy. Immigrants are treated better than the natives. Houses are casinos rather than homes. In what country are "immigrants treated better than natives" - and how so? I can't think of a single country where immigrants have more rights, or access to more social programs than citizens. >The old are more important than young. Sure, because as a percentage of the population, they vote in higher numbers. Of course they're generally more likely to be against immigration so your mental gymnastics are straining hard. >Sameness is valued over variety. So they simultaneously want to fill the country with immigrants from myriad cultures, while making everything the same? I can think of a lot of ways to make everything in your country the same - preferring immigrants from other cultures over citizens that probably have at least some shared culture would not make the top 100 of that list. >Those questioning it are labeled 'far' or 'extreme' by the same media whom just happen to benefit from the economic growth created by the status quo. Get back in your Overton box. Jeffery needs a new rocket and there is a new dance meme on TikTok. Well right, because they're racist tropes, and as evidenced by your post tend to contradict themselves unironically. The fact you think politicians are simultaneously catering to old people and immigrants is... interesting to say the least.

x86x87 3y ago

Nah. This does not work if the conditions the immigrants get are shittier than in their country of origin. Why would anyone move?

globalnode 3y ago

money means more to the power holders than anything else. remember that and you'll instantly understand the world.

cortesoft 3y ago

> Immigrants are treated better than the natives. This is a very bold statement to just put out there with zero explanation.