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Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike
- jMyles 3y ago> Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Stike Presumably the spelling oddity in this headline is a typo - the article calls the event a "day of organized strike action." (emphasis mine)
- thestevesie 3y ago[flagged]
- robertlagrant 3y ago> Yes, the French like eating croissants. They are in fact delicious. I wouldn't write an article about that and I certainly wouldn't share it. Good. Keep your thoughts on how delicious the French are to yourself!
- romantomjak 3y agoI'm consistently impressed by French solidarity to just go on a strike until they get their government (or a company in this case) to start treating them fairly. I wish that could work in the UK, but alas, we don't do that here.
- kevmo 3y agoTo nitpick: It WOULD work, but alas, you don't do it. This is also why the USA has all those anti-strike laws, especially regarding railroads.
- tunnuz 3y agoIt might have something to do with being chased by brutal horse-mounted police and beaten up in the past.
- reaperman 3y ago> It WOULD work, but alas, you don't do it. This is also why the USA has all those anti-strike laws. My mom did it reasonably often as a teacher. The state made it illegal for her to ever strike again. Maybe not being willing to go to jail for refusing to work is why she doesn't do it? It's crazy to me that the law is basically "show up to work for whatever we decide to pay you, or go to jail" (via contempt of court, usually, if they continue to strike after a judge orders teachers to go back to work and fines them for each day of missed work). So the other option is to "strike" by quitting and starting over in a completely new career. Enough people have done that that some schools are having trouble opening[0]. Somehow even that doesn't seem to raise wages. So -- for teachers at least, striking literally doesn't work. Enough teachers quit that schools can't stay open, and yet the wages don't rise to hire enough teachers. It's insane. 0: https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/03/us/teacher-shortage-lowering-qualifications-wisconsin/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/03/us/teacher-shortage-lowering-...
- whimsicalism 3y agoGenerally if it is an illegal strike, it means you can be legally fired, not that you will be taken to jail.
- reaperman 3y agohttps://twitter.com/DeAngelisCorey/status/1749835342838906893 https://twitter.com/DeAngelisCorey/status/174983534283890689... Jail is always an option when someone is subject to contempt of court. In other states it's the individual teachers who get automatically fined, not the union. Contempt of court could also apply to the individuals if the judge wanted to make it so.
- realusername 3y agoJust a correction on the article, you don't need to be unionized to participate to a strike in France and I doubt there's as many in the union as they claim.
- zooq_ai 3y agoFrench Software Engineers make $60k per year. I'm sure they wonder why and think striking / unionizing is the answer
- askonomm 3y agoIs 60k bad? Pretty sure it's the average salary in the entire Europe.
- throwawaysleep 3y agoOnly making the avg salary after some fairly technical education is pretty bad.
- askonomm 3y agoAverage _software engineer_ salary.
- Hamuko 3y agoAs someone with a B.Eng in Information and Communications Technology, I don't really think the education part is that impressive really. Pretty sure there's a lot of programmers in my company that do not actually have an engineering degree. Meanwhile the nurses who did a 3.5-year program (as opposed to our 4-year engineering program) at the same campus probably make less than half of what I make.
- dgellow 3y agoThe average salary in France is around 42k€ a year.
- INTPenis 3y agoIt's pretty low for a software engineer, this is coming from a Swede. I know people inside Ubisoft and they have notoriously low salaries. I work in telco and we pay our developers more than Ubisoft does.
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- ramchip 3y agoThis article is rather terrible. Here's a better one with actual explanations: https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/unions-call-strikes-ubisoft-studios-173451728.html https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/unions-call-strikes-ubisoft...
- imiric 3y agoGood luck to them, but why would you want to work for such an awful company anyway? Even in the 3A (or "4A"...) space, there are much better studios, in Europe and elsewhere. Preserve your sanity and quit.
- chamakits 3y agoI'm not sure on hard hiring numbers; but I imagine that since Ubisoft is a French company, they have a much larger presence in France than other large studios.
- unwind 3y agoMeta: typo in title; last word should be "stRike" obviously.
- dang 3y agoFixed. Thranks!
- f6v 3y ago[flagged]
- dgellow 3y agoThe farmer protest isn’t a worker strike, you’re off topic
- crollywood 3y agoOnly state-criticizing strikes get that label. Afaik in the France fortunately big companies are not as connected with the government as in some other places (cough cough).
- lastdong 3y agoThis is remarkable. It's terrible to see how in some creative industries the workforce is managed, with hiring and firing practices. However, it would be great if the industry could adopt a more sustainable approach that benefits both the employees and the company's growth in the long run.
- johnnyanmac 3y agoI don't want to be crude, but the sustainable approach is accepting that a company won't grow every year for forever. When did the behavior of the stock market become so fixated on this? Was it always this way? In this case it's even simpler: Ubisoft literally didn't want to pay a CoL adjustment raise this year. Nor last year. Despite reporting better than average earnings. But because this is the EU section they can't do a mass layoff like they have and will do for the US/CA studios. So... Don't shortchange talent less money despite earning the company more money and having more experience in operating your products
- adamlarsson78 3y ago> I don't want to be crude, but the sustainable approach is accepting that a company won't grow every year for forever No necessarily. An economy can be sustainable even if all companies grow all the time. You just need to allow that companies fold now and then and close down. Then the market place opens space for remaining or new companies to grow. This is not just fantasy, it's how you keep cleaning up. (It does not imply that the economy as a whole keeps growing. That's a different matter altogether.) Nature works like this too, by the way. Go to tour nearest forest, all plants keep growing as long as they are alive. But they have a limited lifetime and are broken down once they die. Which allows new ones to flurish (and grow).
- n3storm 3y agoPeople is delusional thinking the world has to be as it is, big companies can do what they want with our earth resources, workers are just competitors in a race to get a economy class seat to paradise, other countries are just unintelligent cheapo workforce and/or enemies, money is the only possible humanity ruler.
- Raed667 3y agoAround 2020, I interviewed with them for a full-stack role in Montpellier France. They genuinely seemed perplexed when I laughed at their €38k offer, which translates to ~€2200/month after taxes. Full support to the strikers!
- gambiting 3y agoI used to work at Ubisoft until recently and our recruitment was genuinely surprised why we can't find any candidates for senior C++ programmer roles offering the equivalent of about €50-60k/year.
- dijit 3y agoWorked for Ubisoft in Sweden as a senior infrastructure engineer for an always online title. One of two people to make the entirety of online work- which, if it didnt meant nobody could play. They offered 29k SEK/mo- which isn't just below average salary for that position, it is below the average salary in the city. I negotiated for a better pay but it took 6 years to get back to my pre-join salary. I only took the job because the alternative was King and I didn't think candy crush was ethical.
- benhurmarcel 3y agoIn France that’s a pretty normal salary for an engineering graduate with a Masters and no experience outside of internships.