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Scientists Developed a Tool to Reveal Who's at Risk of Burnout, and It's Free
- codegladiator 3y agoServer at the risk of burnout
- sparrowInHand 3y agoShould have called itself
- txdm 3y agoIt's like a weather rock: if you are checking the tool, that confirms you are most likely burned out.
- financltravsty 3y agoOverall burnout: 4.9
- linuxlizard 3y agoOut of 10, right? Out of 10?
- cableshaft 3y agostares back intensely
- vjerancrnjak 3y agoApp link: https://theburnout.app/ https://theburnout.app/
- nottorp 3y agoSlashdotted... HNed... something. I suppose everyone here suspects themselves or is afraid of burnout.
- ben_w 3y agoVerbed. Hmm. When I was a kid, there was an orange coloured drink called Tango, whose advertising used the tagline "You know when you've been Tangoed", often paired with slapstick (which led to some ads getting banned for fear of real-life imitations). HN is, memetically, "the orange site". So, I propose the HN hug of death is known as "getting Tangoed".
- huijzer 3y ago> Too Many Users > Sorry, but this application has exceeded its quota of concurrent users. Please try again later.
- satokema 3y agothe app itself is experiencing burnout
- classified 3y agoBurnout test successful.
- Vinnl 3y agoIt worked for a minute for me, but then at the end I got: > Error: Specified target does not exist. > Target: MI_7_second_order_zero_intercepts_predict.out So maybe wait a bit until you make the effort of going through all the questions. (Also note that it asks for your country at the end, and only has the limited list of options mentioned in the article.)
- data_maan 3y agoThis
- gonzo41 3y agoCool. I've been waiting for the blade runner emotion tests to start happening in the tech industry. This is going to be used for evil, I bet someone makes a jira plugin and then sets it to be then end of sprint, post retro personal review task. Which is scored and centrally kept and managed.
- bowsamic 3y agoAs someone who has experienced extreme burnout myself, it's not evil to want employees that won't have mental health issues...
- pjc50 3y agoYes, but it will be implemented in evil ways, like threatening employees to improve their burnout score or you'll sack them - without reducing their workload, of course. See "Bradford factor".
- manfre 3y agoThe evil part is when a company uses this to know exactly how much productivity to extract from an employee. We're close to becoming productivity batteries that are now easily swapped out.
- rmbyrro 3y agoWouldn't it be good if managers had a hint to be more empathetic towards an employee that's going through a temporary bad mental state, instead of labeling "under-delivery" and throwing him onto a "PIP" process?
- ceejayoz 3y agoWouldn't it be good if Israel and Hamas became best friends? What's good and what's likely are not the same thing.
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- bbor 3y agolol I’m not sure the tool itself is the point, at least for personal use — isn’t it relative? Based on the diagram the “tool” all these comments are clamoring for seems like a quiz about the demands of and resources for your work. Not exactly a Voight-Kampff test ;)
- jawns 3y ago> "Previously, we have not had a detailed enough measurement tool for use in both the field of practice and research that identifies workers who are at risk of burnout," says psychologist Leon De Beer, from the Norwegian University of Science and Technology. Have they never heard of the Maslach Burnout Inventory? The MBI measures burnout as defined by the World Health Organization (WHO) and in the ICD-11. It has been around for 35 years, and it is considered the gold standard for measuring burnout. More details here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6194874/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6194874/ Edit: Indeed, they have heard of the MBI. It is mentioned in the paper itself: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/sjop.12996 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/sjop.12996 In fact, one of the key hypotheses they explore is how their BAT compares to the MBI. So why in the world would its lead author be saying that it's the first of its kind?
- bsenftner 3y agoI wager the lead guy made no such statement, this is the accuracy of journalism.
- hiatus 3y agoSo the journalist falsified a direct quote?
- nottorp 3y ago"Improved". For "engagement".
- bsenftner 3y agoI've been interviewed by the press multiple times, with direct quotes that I never uttered. Friends and associates too. Journalism is a joke, seriously.
- jawns 3y agoFormer journalist here, so I may be biased, but I think a lot of people think of "the press" as if it's one thing, when in reality there is a vast, vast spectrum of quality across different news outlets. Unfortunately, as with other negative stereotypes, a few bad impressions is all it takes for some people to attribute those stereotypes to the whole group. But having spent time behind the scenes, I would say that most people who make journalism their profession really do try very hard to be accurate, especially when it comes to quoting people. Mistakes happen, yes, but aside from some bottom-feeders who don't care about accuracy as long as it sells, most of the journalists I know see theirs as a public-service profession. Certainly they're not in it for the money.
- taneq 3y agoWe had a command line tool that did this when I was at uni, I think the Linux command you had to type was 'yes'.
- linuxlizard 3y agoWe had that same burn-out measurement tool in HP-UX, SCO, and SunOS!
- rmbyrro 3y ago> Too Many Users: Sorry, but this application has exceeded its quota of concurrent users. Please try again later. I don't understand why people pay a premium to host on Digital Ocean and provide such experiences to users. I'd bet $1,000 that, with what they're paying Digital Ocean to return this message, they could have an 8-core server with at least 32 Gb of RAM on Hetzner, for instance, which could certainly accommodate at least 20x the traffic.
- Clubber 3y agoDigital Ocean is incredibly cheap, I pay $10 a month for a droplet with SSDs. The lowest tier is $4 a month. https://www.digitalocean.com/pricing https://www.digitalocean.com/pricing >I'd bet $1,000 that, with what they're paying Digital Ocean to return this message, they could have an 8-core server with at least 32 Gb of RAM on Hetzner, for instance, which could certainly accommodate at least 20x the traffic. I'll be expecting that check in the mail.
- rmbyrro 3y ago> I pay You just showed up body, I ain't talking about you. > I'll be expecting that check in the mail. Please do so. And keep standing up. So you won't fall asleep and miss it.
- Clubber 3y agoPeople who didn't get the joke ...
- rmbyrro 3y agohey, don't take it seriously! lol
- Clubber 3y agoJust admit you were wrong. >I'd bet $1,000 that, with what they're paying Digital Ocean to return this message, they could have an 8-core server with at least 32 Gb of RAM on Hetzner, for instance, which could certainly accommodate at least 20x the traffic.
- da39a3ee 3y agoI don't understand psychological tests at all. People who want to believe they are at risk of burnout will answer questions in that direction. Isn't the whole field an obvious sham?
- idontknowifican 3y agoyour comment is saying self diagnosis is impossible
- ramblerman 3y agoHe is saying it's highly likely to correlate with how you think you should score before you take the test. Did you have a counter argument to offer or?
- User3456335 3y agoPerhaps having a burnout is highly correlated with thinking you have a burnout. Does that make any test for it a sham? Does the test perhaps make sure that there is sufficient agreement on the definition of burnout? Perhaps it ensures that someone doesn't just say they are burnt out because someone in their life told them they might be? Perhaps it helps people realize they have a burnout because they didn't know the definition? Perhaps it provides those who don't have a burnout with confidence that they don't?
- warp 3y agoIf you're filling out the test to learn more about yourself, why would you lie to yourself?
- marcosdumay 3y agoWell, it's the standard human behavior. On the other hand, you have the possibility of not lying and getting an useful answer. The difficulty of doing that varies, and the more objective the questions, the easier it is.
- thrillgore 3y agoThe website is called https://theburnout.app/ https://theburnout.app/ and its down.
- smeej 3y agoAre there people who would bother looking for or taking a test like this if they weren't at risk of burnout?
- giantg2 3y agoWell I found something I score highly on - the MBI. A=38, B= 27, C=18 I'm crushing it lol
- harimau777 3y agoWhat's the application of all this? I'm definitely burned out, but my boss doesn't care, there's no way I can get a better job in this market (even if I had the energy to practice leetcode problems to prepare for interviews), and I'm not rich enough to just stop working. Therapy, exercise, and medication are only enough to allow me to keep going in this bad situation.
- dotancohen 3y agoI'd really like to talk to you in private if you don't mind - I've just become interested in mental health recently and I think that I need the advice of someone who is decidedly _not_ a professional. I'd love to hear from you if you don't mind. My Gmail username is the same as my HN username. Thanks!
- kiliantics 3y agoorganise with others, form a union
- harimau777 3y agoThat's not an option in my case. There's only a handful of us left who aren't offshore contractors and many of my co-workers would turn me in to management the moment they heard me talking about a union.
- huytersd 3y agoYeah I like how society so “sincerely” talks about fixing problems with therapy and exercise when the main problem in most people’s lives is the requirement that they work hard day in and day out. As a society we have no solution to this problem so we invent various ways to “fix” the problem without talking about the source. I realize people have to work, I just wish society would actually talk about the elephant in the room.
- mccrory 3y agoIt’s not society, it’s a capitalism problem. The harder you work, the richer and more powerful those above become, they will resist anything that goes against this cycle, such as you working less.
- andrewSC 3y agoIs there src of this somewhere, where we can self-host?
- throwaway743 3y agoIt's throwing an error at the end. Also only saw around 5-6 options for country selection, none of which were applicable for me.
- tytyytyty 3y agoI scored Specified target does not exist. Target: MI_7_second_order_zero_intercepts_predict.out I'm not sure what that means. (Though I just got straight 3's on my semi-annual work eval again combined with no negative feedback, which doesn't surprise me because my boss shot down my proposals and told me to do more lackluster won't-be-noticed refactor work, so though I don't feel burned out I'm definitely going to be looking for a new job) Although I would love to have a quick, free, easy, reliable self-reported burnout assessment tool, 1) I doubt the results would surprise me that often and 2) burnout isn't the reason why people leave my company most of the time. Typically people leave my company because they're ambitious and driven and they're seeking faster growth elsewhere.
- justinclift 3y agoThe main url is over it's quota, but it also seems to be available here: https://burnoutassessmenttool.be/start_eng/ https://burnoutassessmenttool.be/start_eng/ After going to the "Manual | Publication" page, the actual questions are a PDF. English: https://burnoutassessmenttool.be/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/BAT-English.pdf https://burnoutassessmenttool.be/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/... That doesn't have the "what to do with the results" piece though. :(
- blueyes 3y agoDoesn't go far enough upstream, in my opinion. There are so many things people can do to increase their neurological energy to affect things like motivation and focus. Much higher leverage than an assessment that will lead to the plablum interventions of wellness teams.
- Mozai 3y ago"Statistical norms and cut-off values for other countries are currently being developed." So, currently I can see how burnt-out I am compared to Flemmish office workers. Maybe there I'm a burn-out husk, but compared to American offices I'm an average employee.
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- joquarky 3y agoMesothelioma ads were ubiquitous when I was growing up. I wonder if there will be something similar for burnout once we can measure it.