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At least personally, I've found that starting to drink coffee has had a pretty dramatic positive impact on my depression. I wonder if the difference in experie

At least personally, I've found that starting to drink coffee has had a pretty dramatic positive impact on my depression. I wonder if the difference in experience could come down to the specific circumstances and nature of the issues that someone faces?

pjc50 3y ago
You're not going to suggest that different people have different baseline biochemistry and would benefit from different things in different ways? No! That's not allowed! All health advice must fit all people, and people who don't fit the health advice shouldn't be allowed to complain about it. /sarcasm, but I've seen serious versions of this argument
- Aeolun 3y ago
  I do think it would be nice if we had health advice that applied to all people.
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
    Take your tetanus shot and don’t step on rusty nails. But, per GP’s point, maybe someone doesn’t get tetanus anyway.
    - marcosdumay 3y ago
      > maybe someone doesn’t get tetanus anyway Isn't that what the vaccine is for? It's still a good idea to not step on dirty rusty nails. There are no exceptions here.
  - stavros 3y ago
    Do at least moderate amounts of exercise fairly regularly.
- jollyoldpirate 3y ago
  This is Dr. HN, but without the /sarcasm tag.
- dahart 3y ago
  I keep seeing versions of the argument that we’re all unique snowflakes and so all science is bad and all advice is untrustworthy bs. Usually the argument feels more like a variation on ‘you’re not the boss of me’ than a serious discussion of the science. This feels especially common to me when discussing diets; people seem to get pretty defensive whenever some advice or outcome has any way of being interpreted as that person potentially having less than perfect behavior. I don’t know what ‘people have different baseline biochemistry’ really means. Approximately zero humans survive on sulphur and chlorine in place of nitrogen and oxygen. This argument tends to overlook the fact that people are mostly similar, and there’s enough of us that we have decent data on how similar we are. Humans are all approximately the same construction, and have approximately the same reactions to most things. It’s true there’s tons of minor variability for some things, but no serious science or health advice that will fail to mention or acknowledge that variability. My advice (which may or may not work for you) is to ignore people who say health advice must fit all people… and also ignore people who say that no advice will work for them, or even that advice that works for most can’t work for them without trying it first. I feel like a good default assumption is that something that works for the average person will probably work for me too, so try it first, and then look for alternatives if/when I find out it’s not working. This is still a good default assumption even when accounting for the ‘flaw of averages’ (cf. the Air Force story about cockpit design) - most of us will fit the the average for most things, even while at the same time most of us will be outliers for some things.
  - AbstractH24 3y ago
    > I keep seeing versions of the argument that we’re all unique snowflakes and so all science is bad and all advice is untrustworthy bs. I keep seeing people take statements that are valid within reason to the extreme. In broad strokes, most things about humans are true, but there is certainly nuance and variation between people. Probably because we don't fully understand the things we think we do.
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  - davidivadavid 3y ago
    Subtweeting the Eliezer Yudkowsky threads on weight loss? More seriously, yes, "We're all unique so nothing could possibly apply to me" is usually pretty thinly veiled cope.
anter 3y ago
It's probably best to treat the articles like these (and the dietary advice in general) as an invitation to experiment and see how it works for your particular case, not as a definitive statement that "X is good for everyone always, Y is bad for everyone always"
ddorian43 3y ago
Depends what type of depression you have. Like "my life sucks" depression or "metabolic health is bad" depression or both.
raccoonDivider 3y ago
Since we're exchanging anecdotal evidence, I also feel better with coffee. It lets me control how energized I am. Helped me avoid burnout and generally makes me feel a bit better no matter how much I take.
mateo1 3y ago
If it helps you it's great. I was drinking tons of coffee daily from my teenage years to my mid-20s. I didn't feel any ill effects from it. Now in my early 30s, it causes anxiety. I don't know how or why, but it's scary how caffeine and a little bit of tiredness turns me into a shell of a man these days. Having a safe stimulant to kick you out of inactivity is a great help so I'd say take advantage of it.
graemep 3y ago
Coffee is an anti-depressant. AFAIK it increase serotonin and dopamine levels so is not all that different from a lot of antidepressant drugs.

pjc50 3y ago

You're not going to suggest that different people have different baseline biochemistry and would benefit from different things in different ways? No! That's not allowed! All health advice must fit all people, and people who don't fit the health advice shouldn't be allowed to complain about it. /sarcasm, but I've seen serious versions of this argument

Aeolun 3y ago
I do think it would be nice if we had health advice that applied to all people.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
  Take your tetanus shot and don’t step on rusty nails. But, per GP’s point, maybe someone doesn’t get tetanus anyway.
  - marcosdumay 3y ago
    > maybe someone doesn’t get tetanus anyway Isn't that what the vaccine is for? It's still a good idea to not step on dirty rusty nails. There are no exceptions here.
- stavros 3y ago
  Do at least moderate amounts of exercise fairly regularly.
jollyoldpirate 3y ago
This is Dr. HN, but without the /sarcasm tag.
dahart 3y ago
I keep seeing versions of the argument that we’re all unique snowflakes and so all science is bad and all advice is untrustworthy bs. Usually the argument feels more like a variation on ‘you’re not the boss of me’ than a serious discussion of the science. This feels especially common to me when discussing diets; people seem to get pretty defensive whenever some advice or outcome has any way of being interpreted as that person potentially having less than perfect behavior. I don’t know what ‘people have different baseline biochemistry’ really means. Approximately zero humans survive on sulphur and chlorine in place of nitrogen and oxygen. This argument tends to overlook the fact that people are mostly similar, and there’s enough of us that we have decent data on how similar we are. Humans are all approximately the same construction, and have approximately the same reactions to most things. It’s true there’s tons of minor variability for some things, but no serious science or health advice that will fail to mention or acknowledge that variability. My advice (which may or may not work for you) is to ignore people who say health advice must fit all people… and also ignore people who say that no advice will work for them, or even that advice that works for most can’t work for them without trying it first. I feel like a good default assumption is that something that works for the average person will probably work for me too, so try it first, and then look for alternatives if/when I find out it’s not working. This is still a good default assumption even when accounting for the ‘flaw of averages’ (cf. the Air Force story about cockpit design) - most of us will fit the the average for most things, even while at the same time most of us will be outliers for some things.
- AbstractH24 3y ago
  > I keep seeing versions of the argument that we’re all unique snowflakes and so all science is bad and all advice is untrustworthy bs. I keep seeing people take statements that are valid within reason to the extreme. In broad strokes, most things about humans are true, but there is certainly nuance and variation between people. Probably because we don't fully understand the things we think we do.
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- davidivadavid 3y ago
  Subtweeting the Eliezer Yudkowsky threads on weight loss? More seriously, yes, "We're all unique so nothing could possibly apply to me" is usually pretty thinly veiled cope.

anter 3y ago

It's probably best to treat the articles like these (and the dietary advice in general) as an invitation to experiment and see how it works for your particular case, not as a definitive statement that "X is good for everyone always, Y is bad for everyone always"

ddorian43 3y ago

Depends what type of depression you have. Like "my life sucks" depression or "metabolic health is bad" depression or both.

raccoonDivider 3y ago

Since we're exchanging anecdotal evidence, I also feel better with coffee. It lets me control how energized I am. Helped me avoid burnout and generally makes me feel a bit better no matter how much I take.

mateo1 3y ago

If it helps you it's great. I was drinking tons of coffee daily from my teenage years to my mid-20s. I didn't feel any ill effects from it. Now in my early 30s, it causes anxiety. I don't know how or why, but it's scary how caffeine and a little bit of tiredness turns me into a shell of a man these days. Having a safe stimulant to kick you out of inactivity is a great help so I'd say take advantage of it.

graemep 3y ago

Coffee is an anti-depressant. AFAIK it increase serotonin and dopamine levels so is not all that different from a lot of antidepressant drugs.