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Why Some of Apple's Biggest Fans Are Returning Their Vision Pros
- not_your_vase 3y agoTwo things I couldn't find mentioning in the article are virtue signalling and social media engagement. Why would "Apple's biggest fans" return it otherwise, even if they don't use it? If will be a flop, it will worth a lot of money in a few years. If will be a success, it will worth a lot of money in a few years. In any case, you want it in your collection, if you can put your hand on one...
- spencerflem 3y agobecause it costs thousands of dollars. I don't think this is as sure an 'investment' as you think it is
- mh- 3y agoAs someone who owns the original iPad and the original BlackBerry (lol) tablet.. as you'd expect, neither are worth as much as they retailed for. I think that covers both possible product outcomes.
- spencerflem 3y agoI got an iPad 2 for $5 recently :p Not bad for the price
- not_your_vase 3y agoI guess the value also depends on the remaining usability of the device. I must admit, for the past 2-or-so decades you are quite right: old iPhones, iPads, AppleTVs have been killed by Apple: they can't do a fraction of what they used to be capable of in their heyday. And their price indeed mirrors this. Macs fared a bit better. Let me extend my statement a bit then: if Apple doesn't press the self-obsolete-now button, then it will be a great relic.
- schiffern 3y agoSpoiler alert: the [edit: real, not stated] reason is because they bought it for the review, and the 14-day return period is expiring. Dropping $3500+tax off the production budget and double-dipping for a second video/thinkpiece? That's irresistible for a content creator. So now we're getting a spike in "Vision Pro return" memes. Most people naturally tend to emulate popular trends. They'll never say that's the reason, of course. There's also just a classic thundering herd effect. There was a big spike as people tried it out, so there's a spike in returns on a ~2 week lag.
- jcadam 3y ago"Indistinguishable from a pair of sunglasses" is pretty much a hard requirement for me to even try anything like this. No doubt most of the clowns walking around in public wearing these things were paid influencers. There's probably a niche for something like this, but it's not ready to be a general consumer product.
- maximus-decimus 3y ago> the clowns walking around in public wearing these things were paid influencers. Could just be influencers making cool content for money (doesn't have to be paid) or people testing the limits of the pass through for fun. Even though this product has no use in my opinion, it's a cool product.
- Etheryte 3y agoIt was mentioned in another comment thread that Meta has sold 20 million Quests so far, so clearly there is a market beyond just paid influencers.
- moneywoes 3y agowhat about meta raybans
- _ph_ 3y agoSometimes I think, returns are a bit to easy. There are too many Apple fans with too much money who just ordered it for fun. And then discover that it is a very much first generation product. I am absolutely thrilled by what I hear about the VP, but I am also quite sure that I want to wait for the first update before spending a lot of money on it. Because the hardware will be refined and of course, the software improved.
- bongodongobob 3y agoOh no, poor Apple having to honor their own policy.
- eddyg 3y agoReturns for everything are too easy. Far too many people treat stores as “rental outlets”. Or purposefully buy three of something, try them all, and then return two. Nothing is more annoying than buying something you expect (and pay for) to be new and then realizing it was obviously a “return”.
- ChrisLTD 3y agoReturns are priced in. They are exactly as easy as they need to be to maximize the profit.
- Animats 3y ago"Too heavy". Multiple users are quoted saying that. Carmack was right. Headgear needs to come down to no more than swim goggle size to be successful, and down to eyeglass size to go mainstream. I was expecting eyeglass-sized displays from Apple. This thing is as clunky as everyone else's VR headsets.
- schiffern 3y agoI think Apple views this as a "minimum viable hardware" feature set, and it's only just now barely becoming possible. This is the clunkiest headset Apple will ever release. See the iPhone 1. Apple will probably also move down-market with a future "Apple Vision S" product, deleting the front screen and further slimming the size.
- twoodfin 3y ago“Apple Vision Air” is the obvious branding. From “spatial computer” (Apple’s first new platform they’ve described as a “computer” since the Mac) to the productivity-focused feature set to the pricing (AVP is on par with a well-spec’d MBP), clear Apple sees this as primarily an evolution of the laptop.
- tambourine_man 3y agoIt will be called iEye, actually.
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- FirmwareBurner 3y agoFuturama beat you to it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uASUHbFEhWY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uASUHbFEhWY
- tambourine_man 3y agoWhich is where the “shut up and take my money” meme came from
- pxeboot 3y agoI am surprised there was not a less lenient return policy on these devices. I don't know what the refurbishment process will look like, but if they replace all of the parts that come in contact with your head/face, there is a lot of waste being generated for each one of these that gets returned.
- JoshTko 3y agoTrue but most of the relative cost is probably not from light seal or headband.
- voiceblue 3y agoI’m not an “Apple’s biggest fan”, I used an Android all the way up until 2021 (and even now possess both a pixel 7 and an iPhone 13). I bought this, and I am not returning it. I planned to return it and buy in another state (tax free), but I am not even doing that because I use this thing everyday (my last day to return was yesterday). At the same time, I am not interested in extolling its virtues beyond saying: try it. Maybe buy it and try it at home with your MacBook. Maybe you’ll get it, maybe it won’t be for you. What does it matter what others think?
- boppo1 3y agoAny good if my main computing/work device is a linux/windows desktop? I'm not leaving linux for osx. Have an ipad pro too, any integration there?
- voiceblue 3y agoAssuming you are interested strictly in productivity, probably not the best tool with those devices. However sunshine + moonlight does work quite well, so maybe? I use that combo for gaming.
- moneywoes 3y agohow is it for productivity?
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- niceice 3y agoIt would be instructive to know what percentage are returning them or at least have some basis for comparision to other first gen Apple products.
- seeknotfind 3y agoWhatever. I am keeping mine. It's the future. It's addictive. It's magical. There isn't a lot of content, but I still haven't gotten bored enough to start coding apps on it. I've done a number of hacks to get it to work, but using my Android phone as a Bluetooth keyboard is the killer app. Google keyboard swype plus the better Google voice recognition makes it usable. Also, I cut off the fabric of a backup light shield, so you can use it with peripheral vision. That's pretty decent for chores. Give it a few weeks for bored people to start making apps, figure out how to limit YouTube on this thing so you're not turning into a wire head. I try to watch my 80" TV now, and it just feels too small and restricted. This is just the news being news. If you're savy, and if you have a MBP, and especially if you're a developer, and especially if you have the money, it's legit. It's only going to get better. My thought was, better spend the money now and experience a revolution than wait a year for it to be even better, but too afraid to drop that amount of money when the second one is about to come out.
- Etheryte 3y agoThe rest of your comment I can get, but the last part is very hard to follow. As the tech evolves you would expect to either get similar features for cheaper, or to get more features for the same money. (Adjusted for inflation, iPhones etc follow this pattern for example.) So I don't really understand the whole concept of better to spend more money now than to spend less money in the future for a better device.
- wrasee 3y agoBecause in the future you can also wait to spend less money in the future future for a better better device :) No really, in that sense you want to jump in just after a significant change, to get the most out of the ‘new’, now. And they will never be a better time for that than on the first release. (Future changes being typically more diminishingly incremental as time goes on, at least relative to that point in time.) At least that’s my take the argument.
- moneywoes 3y agocan i build apps for this without owning one? can’t afford atm
- snoxy 3y agoI worked for Apple retail many years ago, and Apple Store rental is a very real thing regardless of the product. In fact, when the Genius Bar repair queue got too long it was actively encouraged. As much as I’d like it to be, I don’t think there is a mass rejection of the Vision Pro happening.
- 9witz 3y agoThere have been a few articles like this and without a return percentage or number of returns it's a worthless waste of reader time. Of course some people who just wanted to try out the device will return it. I would have a returned a first generation ipad as well (I did try it out on release day but after playing with it for 15 minutes I knew it wasn't for me) Personally, I'd feel bad to buy one and return it a week later - I'd feed better to pay a restocking fee, because I want to try one out, but don't want to keep it..
- gamepsys 3y agoThe two biggest complaints are: * The headset is too heavy, or too uncomfortable to use for extended periods of time. * The software was lacking. Lack of video content, lack of apps, lack of 'shared experiences'. I think that as soon as a headset is good enough for software engineers to 'live in' we will see software explode for it.
- vrighter 3y agowhy would I want to live in there as a software engineer?
- Freedom2 3y agoThis is disappointing. I was ready for the swath of "How I used Vision Pro to..." posts on HN, as predicted by many HN commenters.
- alexpc201 3y agoThe iPhone, iPad, or Apple Watch had an affordable price when they were launched on the market. Perhaps they weren't the best user experience, but they also didn't cost that much. I would like to know how Apple would have fared if they had asked for $1500 for an iPhone that didn't have 3G connectivity or cut/paste. The Vision Pro is very expensive for the experience it offers and the limitations it has.
- Dban1 3y agoComputing power development needs at least another 15 years before we can get such graphic fidelity on the middle class user's eyeglass frame