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It's interesting to me how hot and cold descriptions are of Twitter. You get posts like these, but then someone chimes in about how much better the conversation

It's interesting to me how hot and cold descriptions are of Twitter. You get posts like these, but then someone chimes in about how much better the conversations/etc are on Twitter since Musk took over. I'm not on Twitter so i can't really make sense of it. I feel like i see more negative than positive.. but still.. it's bizarre to me that there's people in both camps. More than likely some of them are biased.. but still, i find it "interesting".

candiddevmike 3y ago
> someone chimes in about how much better the conversations/etc are on Twitter since Musk took over I always assume these types of comments are some kind of dog whistle
- lp0_on_fire 3y ago
  As opposed to the “twitter was so wonderful before Musk and now it’s a wasteland”? Please. It’s always been a wasteland.
- concordDance 3y ago
  To whome and why?
- asadotzler 3y ago
  > to whom and why To the Nazis that were kicked off or fled when Twitter had decent moderation to let them know Nazi conversations are flowing like wine and they're welcome back.
  - nothercastle 3y ago
    Lots of nazis these days from all corners of the world. Fuckers are back with a vengeance
    - nomel 3y ago
      I think the largest increase in Nazis is due to the complete, and rather disgusting, misuse of the word.
      - deleted 3y ago
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      - bitnasty 3y ago
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- refulgentis 3y ago
  Rephrasing for people who will react negatively to that. You're making an important point but "dog whistle" assumes some things: Those are people speaking abstractly about how much more free their speech is*. I've never heard that common phrasing used, in any setting, to refer to a change in Twitter user makeup, or it becoming a kinder place. Whether I'm in the company of team left or team right, and coding as same team or opposite team. * yr humble author refuses comment and does not endorse this viewpoint, or that anything changed on this front
- Zigurd 3y ago
  The "It's better now" comments are always of the same form, and never any examples of some great discussion. That's lazy, even for a bot.
DonHopkins 3y ago
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Georgelemental 3y ago
For people with interests or opinions that were heavily censored by pre-Musk Twitter, the end of this censorship alone compensates for the countless new annoyances.
- deeth_starr_v 3y ago
  This seems vibes based. Twitter censored in the past and continues to censor. If you were in the out group and now are in the in group you’re happy even tho you were unlikely to have been censored
  - MiddleEndian 3y ago
    I've always found Twitter to be kind of dumb, most of my interaction with it is when twitter bullshit gets plastered over UFC PPVs or "news" articles report on what people say on twitter. I used my account to (mildly) troll some guy who shared my same name until I got banned a few years ago. See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30605212 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30605212 But despite what some people claim, they did not unban everyone, I checked and I am still banned. outgroup to outgroup lol Still hoping the site collapses so the two cases mentioned above stop happening. Also an extra lol @ people learning why user-content sites need moderation, even 4chan is moderated.
- ethanbond 3y ago
  Does it? Does it account for the 13 new sex bots following me every time I log in, or my DMs full of crypto scams? Great point, I guess.
  - Fauntleroy 3y ago
    For people into sex bots and crypto scams it's a massive improvement, in fact.
    - deleted 3y ago
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mewpmewp2 3y ago
Is this based on the kind of politics you are into? E.g. if you are from US you either have one side or the other where one side likes it and the other dislikes it?
ineedaj0b 3y ago
yeah, i'm having a great time
rsynnott 3y ago
Look, some people _like_ talking to sex-robots, alright? Nothing to be ashamed of.
ethanbond 3y ago
There are a lot of people for whom everything Musk touches is the worst thing ever created, then a lot of people for whom everything he touches is gold, then some people who just like a pretty reasonably stable social media site that's not overrun by bots and pay-for-engagement morons. IMO it seems objectively true that the bot problem is worse than it's ever been. It's definitely objectively true that boosting paid-for comments above organically high-engagement comments means your signal:noise ratio is way, way worse.
- slily 3y ago
  Please share some examples, I never see crypto scams anymore and pre-acquisition you could go in the replies of any popular account and it would be nothing but that. I'm guessing it's still there but I don't see it because I don't scroll for hours on end and verified posts being boosted at the top suppresses the visibility of any bots. Either way considering how bad the bot problem was before the change in ownership I feel like people have a very selective memory about this problem. I did get a handful of catfishing bot accounts following me a few months ago, but that's about the extent of what I've seen as far as spam goes recently and feeds are much cleaner than they were a couple years back. If you're comparing to how it used to be several years ago then it's a different story. > It's definitely objectively true that boosting paid-for comments above organically high-engagement comments means your signal:noise ratio is way, way worse. I'd like to see an objective proof for this alleged objective truth. The bigger problem that I see constantly nowadays is cherry-picked information and people outright lying about a picture or video that they're sharing, but thankfully the community notes help a lot with that. Go ahead and flag this comment for not being prefixed with "Grr I hate Elon Musk!"
- nradov 3y ago
  I don't care about Musk one way or the other and I don't see any evidence to support your claim. The level of bot activity is no higher than before in terms of comments on tweets by accounts that I follow. But why bother reading comments anyway? That has always been mostly a waste of time.
  - sharkjacobs 3y ago
omoikane 3y ago
For me the Twitter experience is roughly the same as before, except ad density increased. It might be that the majority of Twitter changes mostly affect only English content, which I mostly do not follow.
bodge5000 3y ago
I ended up in a really unfortunate position, pre-elon I never really "got" twitter and so barely used it. When he took over I'd log in every now and then to see how much it was plummeting, and in the process of doing so found the (ever shrinking) value of the platform, so I only started enjoying it when it started going downhill (for me at least). I guess though that's less the platform or the people running it and more the users. There's nothing particularly unique about twitter that I like other than the other people who use it

candiddevmike 3y ago

> someone chimes in about how much better the conversations/etc are on Twitter since Musk took over I always assume these types of comments are some kind of dog whistle

lp0_on_fire 3y ago
As opposed to the “twitter was so wonderful before Musk and now it’s a wasteland”? Please. It’s always been a wasteland.
concordDance 3y ago
To whome and why?
asadotzler 3y ago
> to whom and why To the Nazis that were kicked off or fled when Twitter had decent moderation to let them know Nazi conversations are flowing like wine and they're welcome back.
- nothercastle 3y ago
  Lots of nazis these days from all corners of the world. Fuckers are back with a vengeance
  - nomel 3y ago
    I think the largest increase in Nazis is due to the complete, and rather disgusting, misuse of the word.
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
    - bitnasty 3y ago
      [flagged]
refulgentis 3y ago
Rephrasing for people who will react negatively to that. You're making an important point but "dog whistle" assumes some things: Those are people speaking abstractly about how much more free their speech is*. I've never heard that common phrasing used, in any setting, to refer to a change in Twitter user makeup, or it becoming a kinder place. Whether I'm in the company of team left or team right, and coding as same team or opposite team. * yr humble author refuses comment and does not endorse this viewpoint, or that anything changed on this front
Zigurd 3y ago
The "It's better now" comments are always of the same form, and never any examples of some great discussion. That's lazy, even for a bot.

DonHopkins 3y ago

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Georgelemental 3y ago

For people with interests or opinions that were heavily censored by pre-Musk Twitter, the end of this censorship alone compensates for the countless new annoyances.

deeth_starr_v 3y ago
This seems vibes based. Twitter censored in the past and continues to censor. If you were in the out group and now are in the in group you’re happy even tho you were unlikely to have been censored
- MiddleEndian 3y ago
  I've always found Twitter to be kind of dumb, most of my interaction with it is when twitter bullshit gets plastered over UFC PPVs or "news" articles report on what people say on twitter. I used my account to (mildly) troll some guy who shared my same name until I got banned a few years ago. See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30605212 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30605212 But despite what some people claim, they did not unban everyone, I checked and I am still banned. outgroup to outgroup lol Still hoping the site collapses so the two cases mentioned above stop happening. Also an extra lol @ people learning why user-content sites need moderation, even 4chan is moderated.
ethanbond 3y ago
Does it? Does it account for the 13 new sex bots following me every time I log in, or my DMs full of crypto scams? Great point, I guess.
- Fauntleroy 3y ago
  For people into sex bots and crypto scams it's a massive improvement, in fact.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]

mewpmewp2 3y ago

Is this based on the kind of politics you are into? E.g. if you are from US you either have one side or the other where one side likes it and the other dislikes it?

ineedaj0b 3y ago

yeah, i'm having a great time

rsynnott 3y ago

Look, some people _like_ talking to sex-robots, alright? Nothing to be ashamed of.

ethanbond 3y ago

There are a lot of people for whom everything Musk touches is the worst thing ever created, then a lot of people for whom everything he touches is gold, then some people who just like a pretty reasonably stable social media site that's not overrun by bots and pay-for-engagement morons. IMO it seems objectively true that the bot problem is worse than it's ever been. It's definitely objectively true that boosting paid-for comments above organically high-engagement comments means your signal:noise ratio is way, way worse.

slily 3y ago
Please share some examples, I never see crypto scams anymore and pre-acquisition you could go in the replies of any popular account and it would be nothing but that. I'm guessing it's still there but I don't see it because I don't scroll for hours on end and verified posts being boosted at the top suppresses the visibility of any bots. Either way considering how bad the bot problem was before the change in ownership I feel like people have a very selective memory about this problem. I did get a handful of catfishing bot accounts following me a few months ago, but that's about the extent of what I've seen as far as spam goes recently and feeds are much cleaner than they were a couple years back. If you're comparing to how it used to be several years ago then it's a different story. > It's definitely objectively true that boosting paid-for comments above organically high-engagement comments means your signal:noise ratio is way, way worse. I'd like to see an objective proof for this alleged objective truth. The bigger problem that I see constantly nowadays is cherry-picked information and people outright lying about a picture or video that they're sharing, but thankfully the community notes help a lot with that. Go ahead and flag this comment for not being prefixed with "Grr I hate Elon Musk!"
nradov 3y ago
I don't care about Musk one way or the other and I don't see any evidence to support your claim. The level of bot activity is no higher than before in terms of comments on tweets by accounts that I follow. But why bother reading comments anyway? That has always been mostly a waste of time.
- sharkjacobs 3y ago

omoikane 3y ago

For me the Twitter experience is roughly the same as before, except ad density increased. It might be that the majority of Twitter changes mostly affect only English content, which I mostly do not follow.

bodge5000 3y ago

I ended up in a really unfortunate position, pre-elon I never really "got" twitter and so barely used it. When he took over I'd log in every now and then to see how much it was plummeting, and in the process of doing so found the (ever shrinking) value of the platform, so I only started enjoying it when it started going downhill (for me at least). I guess though that's less the platform or the people running it and more the users. There's nothing particularly unique about twitter that I like other than the other people who use it