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Fair point. But if you want to use that analogy, maybe you are also willing to admit that the might of the Wehrmacht accomplished substantially more than gettin
by ninjin 3y ago
Fair point. But if you want to use that analogy, maybe you are also willing to admit that the might of the Wehrmacht accomplished substantially more than getting bogged down about 100km beyond their initial borders two years into the conflict?
- reactordev 3y agoI will admit no such accomplishments. Where I'm from, we punch Nazi's in the face.
- ninjin 3y agoNot sure how admitting that the current state of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation relative to the rest of Europe is not as good that of the pre-WWII Wehrmacht has any relationship to punching Nazis.
- reactordev 3y agoI do not admire Nazi military accomplishments nor compare current military strategy to a world invasion. Russia’s military state is because Russia’s military doesn’t want this fight, but they must.
- ithkuil 3y agoAnd they must fight because?
- jacquesm 3y agoOtherwise they get shot.
- thriftwy 3y agoSo they basically just heroically breached Avdeevka because their boss shouted at them?
- reactordev 3y agoNope, they cowardly did it because they did. No invasion is heroic. Ukraine pulled out to redirect forces elsewhere. Avdiivka isn’t worth the bloodshed.
- baobabKoodaa 3y agoNot sure if refusing to learn from history is the approach I would take to stop nazis or Russia, but to each their own I guess
- reactordev 3y agoI refuse to acknowledge any nazi accomplishments. That does not mean I haven’t learned from history. I think the evidence shows it’s the other way around. That people forget history and like to admire a fascist regime for their murder rate or ability to take down unsuspecting neighbors. Russia got bogged down because Russia doesn’t want this fight. Russia’s Kremlin does.
- baobabKoodaa 3y agoNobody "admires" the murder rate of nazis (except perhaps other nazis). People are horrified by the efficiency and success that Nazis achieved. It's a stark reminder of what can happen when the wrong people get too much uncheckered power. Denying or minimizing that it happened will make it more likely for it to happen again.
- ithkuil 3y agoIndeed. Understanding something doesn't imply endorsing it
- Qwertious 3y agoFascists weren't efficient, broadly speaking. They presented the aesthetic of efficiency and disappeared anyone who called them out on their bullshit. For example, Mussolini's trains didn't run on time, apart from one or two showpony lines.
- baobabKoodaa 3y agoOk so maybe the trains didn't run on time, but they invaded a lot of neighboring countries really fast. Something that Russia doesn't seem capably of doing, as was pointed out upthread. It's not a good idea to broadly think "nazis are stupid, they won't get anything done". Sometimes they get things done and then we're fucked.
- gettodachoppa 3y agoThis isn't Twitter or your polycule's Wednesday night political discussion, my friend. Being proud of rejecting historical facts doesn't give you as many virtue signalling points as you think.