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> I would have never believed all this just a few years ago, how it will go down. The writing is on the wall for a while now, the only problem is that people t

> I would have never believed all this just a few years ago, how it will go down. The writing is on the wall for a while now, the only problem is that people talking about it are promptly labeled as not worthy of being listened to

lifestyleguru 3y ago
This is just silly play of ironic smirks. The interests of key players in Europe are secured, some intra-Slavic conflicts have no importance for them.
- ben_w 3y ago
  Security isn't a thing that can be secured in an absolute sense, only a relative one. For example, while the catastrophic ineptitude of the Russian forces at the start of their invasion has caused me to believe 80% of their nukes don't work any more, even just one nuke detonated as a HAEMP would destroy a continental-sized power grid — and the same visible signs of corruption that gave me the previous 80%, that also means there's a substantial chance at least one of the warheads ended up on the black market.
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sekai 3y ago
> The writing is on the wall for a while now, the only problem is that people talking about it are promptly labeled as not worthy of being listened Exactly, did people forget Russia first invaded Ukraine in 2014? Let's not be naive here.
- disgruntledphd2 3y ago
  Yup, this was the time to arm Ukraine. (or even in 2008 with Georgia).
  - Aerroon 3y ago
    The US did actually train Ukrainian troops after that. Eg https://www.newsweek.com/us-troops-prepare-ukraine-soldiers-russian-onslaught-331906 https://www.newsweek.com/us-troops-prepare-ukraine-soldiers-... Could more have been done? Probably, but effort was definitely put in.
    - disgruntledphd2 3y ago
      If you compare what happened in 2022 to what happened in 2014, you could make the argument that basically nothing was done in 2014. I had a friend who kept saying that we needed to do something back then, and kinda ignored him, and now looking back, it's depressing how right he was.
      - unyttigfjelltol 3y ago
        Nah, Ukraine improved it's ability to defend itself after 2014, leaving Russia the choice of accepting defeat or outright invasion. It chose invasion.
      - IncreasePosts 3y ago
        2 years before Russia invaded Ukraine, you had Obama quipping like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0IWe11RWOM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0IWe11RWOM

lifestyleguru 3y ago

This is just silly play of ironic smirks. The interests of key players in Europe are secured, some intra-Slavic conflicts have no importance for them.

ben_w 3y ago
Security isn't a thing that can be secured in an absolute sense, only a relative one. For example, while the catastrophic ineptitude of the Russian forces at the start of their invasion has caused me to believe 80% of their nukes don't work any more, even just one nuke detonated as a HAEMP would destroy a continental-sized power grid — and the same visible signs of corruption that gave me the previous 80%, that also means there's a substantial chance at least one of the warheads ended up on the black market.

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sekai 3y ago

> The writing is on the wall for a while now, the only problem is that people talking about it are promptly labeled as not worthy of being listened Exactly, did people forget Russia first invaded Ukraine in 2014? Let's not be naive here.

disgruntledphd2 3y ago
Yup, this was the time to arm Ukraine. (or even in 2008 with Georgia).
- Aerroon 3y ago
  The US did actually train Ukrainian troops after that. Eg https://www.newsweek.com/us-troops-prepare-ukraine-soldiers-russian-onslaught-331906 https://www.newsweek.com/us-troops-prepare-ukraine-soldiers-... Could more have been done? Probably, but effort was definitely put in.
  - disgruntledphd2 3y ago
    If you compare what happened in 2022 to what happened in 2014, you could make the argument that basically nothing was done in 2014. I had a friend who kept saying that we needed to do something back then, and kinda ignored him, and now looking back, it's depressing how right he was.
    - unyttigfjelltol 3y ago
      Nah, Ukraine improved it's ability to defend itself after 2014, leaving Russia the choice of accepting defeat or outright invasion. It chose invasion.
    - IncreasePosts 3y ago
      2 years before Russia invaded Ukraine, you had Obama quipping like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0IWe11RWOM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0IWe11RWOM